| 00:00:01 | wegster | BinoX: err, never heard of cvs or svn, eh? ;-) |
| 00:01:12 | BinoX | Yeah, but... it's too confusing.. lol |
| 00:02:48 | BinoX | On my PC systems I have a tape drive backing up dev stuff every night |
| 00:03:08 | BinoX | But I don't think tape drives will work with an A1 |
| 00:03:48 | zerohero | svn rocks :) |
| 00:03:56 | zerohero | and i don't know half of it :P |
| 00:04:38 | BinoX | heh.. don't you have to remember to put stuff in for svn though? |
| 00:05:49 | BinoX | zerohero: btw.. the browser is correctly(ish) rendering text now... lol... >_>;; |
| 00:06:49 | wegster | BinoX: svn checkout <someurl> |
| 00:06:52 | wegster | svn add dir |
| 00:06:55 | wegster | svn commit |
| 00:06:57 | wegster | svn status |
| 00:07:07 | wegster | then yer pretty good, assuming the rep already set up |
| 00:07:11 | wegster | s/rep/repo |
| 00:07:26 | wegster | BinoX: screenshot? ;-) |
| 00:07:32 | Belxjander | hrmmm |
| 00:07:32 | BinoX | does it automatically backup every x hours? Or do I have to initialise..? |
| 00:07:54 | wegster | BinoX: for what, svn? you do an 'svn commit' when you want to transmit your changes to the server |
| 00:08:12 | BinoX | wegster: lol.. Probably sunday.. it's not compiling atm.. half way through writing table handling at the moment |
| 00:15:31 | BinoX | Heh... most of a browser written and I only started AOS coding on March 1st... |
| 00:16:15 | BinoX | Which means proper browser development didn't start for about 2-3 weeks after... heh |
| 00:16:19 | BinoX | Coming on well then xD |
| 00:16:43 | | -!- * wegster cheers for BinoX |
| 00:17:06 | BinoX | At the moment it's really really slow though.. heh |
| 00:17:11 | wegster | BinoX: do you _need_ an svn or cvs server? (well ok, svn). You cross-compiling or native? |
| 00:17:21 | BinoX | I'm working natively |
| 00:18:18 | BinoX | I don't really need an svn server.. Just need to remember to back up... so svn wouldn't help anyway 'cause I'd STILL have to remember |
| 00:18:30 | wegster | heheh, you get used to it. |
| 00:18:56 | BinoX | atm I just leave a zip disk in the drive and set a copy command going with the shell.. heh |
| 00:19:12 | BinoX | and if I do a really really big bit I e-mail it to my work.. |
| 00:19:46 | BinoX | and there it gets backed up every day as well :) |
| 00:20:10 | wegster | BinoX: heh what scm do you use at work? |
| 00:20:17 | | -!- * wegster fears for that answer |
| 00:25:22 | BinoX | wegster: what does scm stand for? lol |
| 00:26:07 | wegster | BinoX: scaring me ;-) |
| 00:26:26 | BinoX | lol.. I'm not good with acronyms |
| 00:26:28 | wegster | Belxjander: Source Control Maintenance |
| 00:26:42 | wegster | err, mgmt even |
| 00:26:47 | Belxjander | eh? |
| 00:26:48 | wegster | Management for you ;-) |
| 00:27:21 | BinoX | Oh.. none... lol |
| 00:27:48 | wegster | BinoX: see, I told you I'm scared! |
| 00:28:06 | BinoX | lol.. I don't work for a company where I code a lot.. |
| 00:28:32 | BinoX | I'm a webmaster... I write the code, back it up and then leave it alone.. lol |
| 00:28:39 | BinoX | That's what I'm (barely) paid to do |
| 00:28:44 | wegster | nod, I put web stuff under source control too |
| 00:28:50 | wegster | hehe, barely? ;-) |
| 00:28:59 | BinoX | Low wage.. lol |
| 00:29:08 | BinoX | If I screw something up.. I start again.. lol |
| 00:29:17 | wegster | heheheh |
| 00:29:35 | wegster | BinoX: hrm, where are you? |
| 00:29:38 | BinoX | UK... |
| 00:29:45 | BinoX | heh |
| 00:30:58 | BinoX | why'd u wanna know? |
| 00:31:36 | wegster | BinoX: b/c you said are paid sucky and I'm nearly ready to tell work to fuck off, sell the house and cars, and move toeurope, but not if I can't afford to eat and have fun ;-) |
| 00:32:13 | BinoX | lol.. I earn enough to live on.. and spend money on what I want.. but for the kind of job I've got.. it pays crap.. lol |
| 00:32:29 | BinoX | most places in the UK pay well.. this area just isn't good for IT based jobs |
| 00:32:51 | wegster | BinoX: nod, prolly wouldn't move to UK anyways, too dreary for me.. |
| 00:32:52 | number6 | wegster: Planning on visiting Norway? I know a guy named Helgis that might put you up. |
| 00:33:09 | wegster | number6: You know I have guns, and your address somewhere, right? ;-) |
| 00:33:46 | | -!- * BinoX searches pile of cups on the desk for the one with current drink in |
| 00:33:47 | wegster | anyone 'close' with sebastian bauer? |
| 00:34:05 | wegster | BinoX: heheh I should send pic pof my desk. coke can with fungus in it = do NOT drink! |
| 00:34:14 | BinoX | rofl |
| 00:34:21 | | -!- * wegster cringes. |
| 00:34:31 | number6 | wegster: Did sebastian not respond to your query on the file finder program? |
| 00:34:37 | BinoX | Desks do seem to get like that don't they? |
| 00:34:49 | wegster | I do, however, have newfound respect for desks made of glass, clear it all off, spray with 409, clean again, till next time. |
| 00:35:03 | BinoX | Ooh.. good plan |
| 00:35:09 | wegster | number6: no, I want his eclipse plugin source to fix it. |
| 00:35:35 | wegster | number6: so then I can actually PUBLISH my eclipse cross-plat dev article etc. |
| 00:35:41 | BinoX | I'm using a desk that I build inside a wardrobe... (So girlfriend doesn't have to see my machines [thus stopping the complaints]) |
| 00:35:54 | wegster | rofl |
| 00:36:04 | wegster | BinoX: just find a closet and some cat-5 |
| 00:36:32 | BinoX | nothing big enough in this house |
| 00:36:58 | BinoX | but I do have about 50 meters of fibre going from my room to the garden shed where the test servers live |
| 00:37:30 | wegster | hehehe |
| 00:37:31 | BinoX | my room being at the front of the house on the top floor and the shed being at the bottom of the back garden... |
| 00:37:49 | wegster | more scary stuff- servers in 'garden shed' in damn environment. |
| 00:37:57 | wegster | ugh |
| 00:37:58 | wegster | damP |
| 00:38:13 | BinoX | so it goes: out the window, up the wall, over the roof, down the back wall, under lawn and into shed |
| 00:38:32 | BinoX | heh.. nah, I got dehumidifiers in there... and the heat of the machines keeps it dry too |
| 00:38:54 | wegster | BinoX: I've built datacenters before, and can only say - you are STILL scaring me :-P |
| 00:39:05 | BinoX | lol |
| 00:39:10 | wegster | but the dehumidifiers a good touch at least ;-) |
| 00:39:28 | BinoX | When I do networking for other people I do it properly... at home I just throw it together |
| 00:40:00 | wegster | BinoX: nod, I still have a piece of cat-5 down the hallway (heh) to the gbit switch, know how it goes, just 'servers outside' is bothersome |
| 00:40:00 | BinoX | When I get a house with a big basement.. THEN I will do it properly.. heh |
| 00:40:38 | BinoX | I got gig switches everywhere |
| 00:41:38 | BinoX | 2x 24 port gigabit switches, 1x 24 port 10/100 with 2 gigabit ports, and the 8x gigabit and 2x gigabit fibre |
| 00:42:06 | BinoX | er... "8 gigaite ports and 2 gigabit fibre ports" that should be |
| 00:42:12 | BinoX | gigabit* |
| 00:42:14 | wegster | why so many? I've got 2 8x port gbit, a cisco 1200xl 10/100, and a generic subk 12 port 10/100 |
| 00:42:37 | BinoX | They were all free except the fibre one |
| 00:43:22 | wegster | nod, fiber switches not generally cheap |
| 00:43:39 | BinoX | Got mine second hand from a BT engineer :) £250 |
| 00:44:10 | BinoX | it's really a 10 gigabit ports and 2 fibre.. heh.. but 2 ports died |
| 00:44:10 | wegster | nod, like I said, still not cheap, even by comparison to gbit |
| 00:44:15 | BinoX | true |
| 00:44:42 | wegster | prolly paid around that for my cisco, wanted to buy a san switch as I was using a san dae for a while for raid, but san switches = even more |
| 00:45:27 | BinoX | Yeah.. my fibre one is a cisco.. I actually prefer the netgear ones though... |
| 00:47:07 | BinoX | oooh.. AVD news updated :) |
| 00:47:55 | BinoX | Looks like a copy of the mailing list news though :(... but with pics :D |
| 00:49:04 | wegster | BinoX: heheh yeah, saw it, couldn't help but nagging Jamie there ;-P |
| 00:49:16 | BinoX | lol |
| 00:49:47 | BinoX | have you actually used AVD to even make a skeleton program yet? |
| 00:50:02 | BinoX | I must've only used it for about 15 mins total.. lol |
| 00:50:21 | wegster | BinoX: naah, used the UI builder for a bit, but it's not really usable yet. |
| 00:50:33 | BinoX | Nope.. heh.. |
| 00:50:40 | wegster | may try to use his template as it's reasonably sane layout anyways for next attempt |
| 00:50:55 | BinoX | Generally I find reaction a real pain to work with.. |
| 00:51:17 | wegster | anything that takes away UI pain is good, but not whaen the builder is causing pain :-( |
| 00:51:25 | BinoX | lol true |
| 00:51:34 | wegster | it'll get there, I'm sure, but was really hoping further along thatn it is, as I need it for something. |
| 00:51:57 | BinoX | I've ended up writing my own GUI system using Picasso96 and graphics libraries |
| 00:52:13 | BinoX | Not finished.. but it is working |
| 00:52:23 | Belxjander | Im playing with the AVD and SDI examples to work out how to get a cross-compiler working |
| 00:52:32 | Belxjander | keeps playing funny games with include files though |
| 00:52:41 | BinoX | heh |
| 00:52:48 | wegster | belx gimme your email, I'll give you a cross-comiple tutorial for eclipse that is 90% right |
| 00:53:17 | wegster | BinoX: really? what, basic wrapper system, or? |
| 00:53:30 | BinoX | at the moment just a file full of functions lol |
| 00:54:03 | wegster | BinoX: you coulda always tried to use 'Feelin'? |
| 00:54:36 | Belxjander | wegster: Belxjander@earthlink.net |
| 00:54:38 | BinoX | The reason I was doing it originally was so I could easily add input boxes to the web browser... |
| 00:54:49 | BinoX | but for a test I basically shoved them in a window |
| 00:55:06 | BinoX | and then it kind of evolved as I was trying things |
| 00:56:01 | BinoX | and I originally drew a window layout when experimenting with p96 and graphics.. heh |
| 00:56:07 | BinoX | so I threw them together |
| 00:56:37 | wegster | Belxjander: you have mail. Don't ask me anything about any of the 'credits' or distribute, please. |
| 00:56:38 | BinoX | basically I open a totally empty intuition window, use IDCMP for inputs and do the rest myself |
| 00:59:35 | Belxjander | wegster: I'll take it as just "handed on" then |
| 01:00:04 | wegster | Belxjander: no, I wrote it, but there's things in end of it not for public distribution etc. |
| 01:00:05 | BinoX | wegster: if you want I can send you my basic GUI test thing.. heh |
| 01:00:34 | wegster | BinoX: sure, although I keep hoping the ui builder will be done before I NEED it ;-) wegster@mindcore.net |
| 01:00:36 | Belxjander | ahhh |
| 01:00:52 | Belxjander | wegster: I will provide any comments back to you for you to deal with as you see fit then |
| 01:00:59 | wegster | Belxjander: thus, no Qs and don't distribute pls ;-) Sure, comments are good. |
| 01:01:08 | BinoX | Bear in mind that this test is not anywhere near production quality.. heh |
| 01:01:12 | wegster | as in no Qs to the stuff in there that isn't for distro etc |
| 01:01:24 | wegster | BinoX: no worries, my AOS coding isn't kindergarten quality yet:-( |
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| 01:03:13 | Belxjander | wegster: nah anything I send your way is upto however you want to deal with it... but I am quite likely to reply with a suggestion or two based on own experience to help "round it out" a bit... as suggestions only :) |
| 01:03:18 | BinoX | wegster: what was yer e-mail again? lol |
| 01:03:25 | BinoX | SimpleMail just DSIed |
| 01:04:17 | wegster | belx nod, it's been proofread for a few, but always open to making it better, as that's the end goal = no questions b/c it's all 'crystal clear' ;-) |
| 01:04:22 | wegster | BinoX: wegster at mindcore dot net |
| 01:04:47 | BinoX | You've, hopefully, got mail! |
| 01:05:25 | wegster | BinoX: got it, thx |
| 01:05:29 | BinoX | There's no gadgets in this version... the one with gadgets DSIs.. heh.. |
| 01:05:33 | BinoX | but the window is custom drawn |
| 01:05:40 | BinoX | and all functionality of it too |
| 01:05:52 | BinoX | and lotsa debug :p |
| 01:06:04 | Belxjander | wegster: well I may come at some parts sideways but as long as it is all spelt out then I see no reason for it not to be "plug and go" Amiga expansion style ;) |
| 01:06:55 | BinoX | and yes.. the buttons don't ALWAYS work.. lol |
| 01:07:38 | Belxjander | why not a single button and just have "region" registration... |
| 01:07:51 | Belxjander | the one button being no-redraw and IS the bounding box for the drawable area... |
| 01:07:58 | Belxjander | that way you arent editing the gadget list... |
| 01:08:18 | Belxjander | just putting an enable/disable on an existing gadget with extended region tests on-click ? |
| 01:08:36 | wegster | BinoX: err, define 'don't always work'? ;-) |
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| 01:10:08 | BinoX | Hello again... SimpleMail again :\ |
| 01:10:16 | wegster | BinoX: was that the results of a 'non-working button'? ;-) |
| 01:10:31 | wegster | damn, I type too slow tonight |
| 01:10:38 | BinoX | lol |
| 01:10:55 | BinoX | I did have a non-working button do that before though.. lol |
| 01:11:00 | number6 | wegster: too slow? In which of the 3 tabs we're communicating in are you TOO slow? |
| 01:11:28 | wegsterOS4 | many of them, bino typed before I did, took away my amusement, damnit :-( |
| 01:11:36 | BinoX | heh |
| 01:11:40 | wegsterOS4 | ;-) |
| 01:11:43 | BinoX | sorry :p |
| 01:11:58 | BinoX | lol... how come u keep switching machines? |
| 01:12:16 | number6 | He gets bored easily. |
| 01:12:28 | BinoX | heh |
| 01:12:45 | wegster | b/c I keep thinking am going to go play on os4 for a bit |
| 01:12:56 | wegster | but then come back here b/c of existing cvonvos etc |
| 01:12:59 | wegster | err, convos |
| 01:13:16 | BinoX | lol |
| 01:13:17 | wegster | I could piss off magic though and log in about 5 more accounts tho just for giggles ;-) |
| 01:13:34 | number6 | heehee. convos is just a smidgeon away from convulsions. |
| 01:13:39 | BinoX | why don't u just connect to irc with just 1 client? |
| 01:13:48 | wegsterOS4 | BinoX: kvm and multiple boxen |
| 01:13:59 | wegsterOS4 | and err, sorry, web based irc clients suck balls |
| 01:14:10 | BinoX | Ah... you work the way I do then.. go kvm :) |
| 01:14:15 | BinoX | What kind of A1 do you have? |
| 01:14:35 | wegsterOS4 | alwayas, couldn't live without it, have a 16 port rackmount in the server rack, and need a 8 port now in office. |
| 01:14:38 | wegsterOS4 | XE G4 |
| 01:14:51 | BinoX | lol |
| 01:15:11 | BinoX | Hmm.. does your keyboard and mouse stop working sometimes when you warm reboot your a1? |
| 01:15:26 | wegster | they make sucky kvms though, 'all I want' is one that includes 5.1 sound, DVI AND vga out, etc. |
| 01:15:41 | wegster | BinoX: rarely do a warm reboot, b/c of smbfs mainly |
| 01:16:07 | wegster | never sure what it might do with networking, but prior to ud4 I HATED usb stack, now is solid, but causes problems, not with kb or mouse tho, never lose anymore |
| 01:16:31 | BinoX | oh.. ur using usb keyboard and mouse? |
| 01:16:37 | wegsterOS4 | as in used to lose mouse and kb a LOT under ud3 etc |
| 01:17:00 | wegsterOS4 | yes, closest to what I wanted, does 2.1 audio, usb..needed the usb b/c of sucky mac |
| 01:17:19 | BinoX | oh.. I'm using ps/2 mouse and keyboard |
| 01:17:27 | wegster | BinoX: probably for the best, actually ;-) |
| 01:17:43 | BinoX | I have a PS/2 -> USB converter for the mac |
| 01:17:51 | number6 | wegster: except for the freezes with PS2 mousy. (interrupts) |
| 01:18:04 | wegster | BinoX: nod, I did, but didn't do well with the$^#&#*( Mac keys and eject cd |
| 01:18:17 | wegster | number6: shh. ps/2 is better, all he needs to know. |
| 01:18:18 | BinoX | I have a windows box, a G4 mac, the Amiga One and my A4000 on this KVM |
| 01:18:35 | number6 | wegster: PS2 is better! |
| 01:18:40 | BinoX | lol |
| 01:18:59 | wegster | have err, linux box with windoze vm, g4 dual quicksilver, work laptop and the a1, and umm, I need more ports :-( |
| 01:19:12 | BinoX | I've never had any freezes yet... except once when I dropped the A1.. |
| 01:19:19 | BinoX | lol |
| 01:19:26 | wegster | doh, don't DO that! |
| 01:19:36 | number6 | Funny. I thought that's how you -fixed- an A1. |
| 01:19:55 | BinoX | my mac is a dual 1GHz.. tower style |
| 01:20:05 | BinoX | but I always wanted a g4 cube :( |
| 01:20:09 | wegster | number6: well, I'm sure I'm about to experience even more pci issues, catweasel 4 coming. |
| 01:20:23 | wegster | BinoX: nod, same here, quicksilver or newer one? |
| 01:20:44 | wegster | mirror door or whatever |
| 01:20:47 | | -!- * number6 rubs hands together and mentions regarding catweasel...shhh...interrupt driven. |
| 01:20:50 | BinoX | It's made of parts from a mac spares box |
| 01:21:13 | BinoX | so I doubt it's even in its own case |
| 01:21:14 | wegster | number6: exactly. |
| 01:21:21 | wegster | BinoX: heheh ok |
| 01:21:23 | wegster | brb |
| 01:21:31 | BinoX | ok |
| 01:21:37 | number6 | ...thought he'd -never- leave. |
| 01:21:41 | BinoX | rofl |
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| 01:22:33 | BinoX | Know anywhere where I can get about 10mbs of webspace and a mysql database for free? heh.. preferably with own domain hosting as an option or at least a cool main domaim |
| 01:22:35 | BinoX | domain* |
| 01:23:15 | BinoX | I dont fancy putting any more sites on my dsl connection |
| 01:25:22 | BinoX | It IS gunna be an amiga related site though :) |
| 01:26:23 | number6 | BinoX: wegster -might- have some space. Ask him when he returns in case he doesn't read the log. |
| 01:26:42 | BinoX | heh ok :) |
| 01:26:44 | BinoX | thx ^^ |
| 01:33:27 | wegster | eh? |
| 01:33:49 | number6 | lol |
| 01:33:49 | | -!- * wegster attempts in vain to kick number6 but has no mojo here. |
| 01:33:57 | Belxjander | I can do the hosting but connection is a serious issue |
| 01:34:03 | wegster | BinoX: details? |
| 01:34:31 | number6 | poofed? |
| 01:35:08 | wegster | number6: naah, no ops unless I force it, but is not my channel. |
| 01:55:15 | BinoX | Off to bed now :) nite all |
| 01:55:47 | number6 | nite |
| 01:56:03 | wegsterOS4 | cya BinoX |
| 01:59:31 | zerohero | if i want to sprintf an uint64 into a buffer what args am i supposed to use? %ld is regular long, right? |
| 02:01:00 | wegster | %ll methinks |
| 02:01:19 | zerohero | ok, i'll try that |
| 02:03:45 | zerohero | %lld worked |
| 02:04:06 | zerohero | so thanks :) |
| 02:04:24 | wegster | zerohero: bah, I suck, typed that first then thought better of it, thought &ll, doh. no cookie for me :-( |
| 02:04:33 | wegster | err, fuck, %ll. |
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| 02:29:59 | number6 | Hi ssolie |
| 02:36:01 | ssolie | number6: hi there |
| 02:49:11 | ssolie | zerohero: you there? |
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| 02:50:49 | zerohero | ssolie: yes? |
| 02:51:17 | ssolie | zerohero: what would it take to make a Mac OS X cross-compiler? |
| 02:51:25 | ssolie | zerohero: I'd like to give it a try but I'm a rookie |
| 02:53:11 | zerohero | ssolie: nothing i guess, just knowledge on howto compile and install |
| 02:53:41 | kindergipA1 | :) |
| 02:53:44 | ssolie | zerohero: has anyone else tried it yet? |
| 02:53:47 | kindergipA1 | and the new sdk |
| 02:54:25 | ssolie | kindergipA1: gee.. didn't think I'd need the OS4 SDK :-P |
| 02:54:36 | kindergipA1 | :) |
| 02:54:36 | zerohero | ssolie: there's supposed to be a few, i've heard. not sure who tho |
| 02:55:04 | ssolie | zerohero: hmm.. I'll ask on utilitybase |
| 02:55:55 | zerohero | ssolie: unless you want to try, it's not that hard... i can't help atm tho, but beginning of next week? |
| 02:57:01 | ssolie | zerohero: it will take me a while to get the hang of the Mac anyway ;) |
| 02:57:07 | zerohero | ;) |
| 02:57:37 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: I forget, what did you buy? |
| 02:57:55 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: the intel mini (dual core et al) |
| 02:58:11 | wegsterOS4 | ahh right. |
| 02:58:26 | wegsterOS4 | am debating. dell has a 17" core duo system, looks...tempting. |
| 02:58:32 | wegsterOS4 | (laptop) |
| 02:58:42 | wegsterOS4 | macbook = sucky resolution plus $$$$$ |
| 02:59:07 | ssolie | does the dell run OS X? |
| 02:59:38 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: well err, not yet, but umm, am hoping ;-) |
| 03:01:23 | wegsterOS4 | think it's new, shipping thismonth but looks very tasty even if it's a H^HDell |
| 03:01:36 | kindergipA1 | ya, six months before AOs boots on x86 right..... |
| 03:02:38 | wegsterOS4 | kindergipA1: got a better number, or you just shit-talking? |
| 03:02:57 | kindergipA1 | :-P |
| 03:03:04 | wegsterOS4 | already wrote in that post no clue on porting time, but with multiple peopleon it, 6-12 months is certainly likely, minus petunia. |
| 03:03:28 | kindergipA1 | minus petunia? |
| 03:03:48 | kindergipA1 | will Bernd step up to the plate with another amithlon type effort? |
| 03:04:48 | number6 | kindergipA1: In a recent thread it sounded like his "partner" and he could be on better terms. |
| 03:05:05 | kindergipA1 | which partner..... |
| 03:05:11 | kindergipA1 | not whatisface |
| 03:05:35 | wegsterOS4 | kindergipA1: yes, if you were referring to the post I made on it, I distinctly said minus petunia, as if it was going to happen, it's all asm and rachy has no interest in x86, thus, no petunioa, plus no clue how uch code is in the software emu layer |
| 03:05:55 | number6 | kindergipA1: Sorry. I'm not doing your homework on that one. |
| 03:06:08 | ssolie | kindergipA1: I think bernd just likes to sit on his high horse and bitch versus doing anything positive |
| 03:06:26 | kindergipA1 | spent years with him on .advocacy |
| 03:06:48 | kindergipA1 | I see no wegster posts..... |
| 03:06:57 | kindergipA1 | I read no wegster posts..... |
| 03:07:04 | kindergipA1 | what wegster on about..... |
| 03:07:24 | wegsterOS4 | kindergipA1: what, in your lovefest? |
| 03:07:40 | | -!- * ssolie hugs wegster--love :) |
| 03:07:55 | kindergipA1 | yes in lovefest.....do you have long thread post...haven't been reading the long ones lately |
| 03:08:29 | wegsterOS4 | kindergipA1: on c.s.a.a on or ML? ML I have megalong post, someone got me going on sun hardware ;-) |
| 03:08:40 | kindergipA1 | ML? |
| 03:08:46 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: you mean how crappy sun h/w is? :) |
| 03:08:51 | wegsterOS4 | ML = Mailing List for the acronym impaired ;-) |
| 03:08:54 | kindergipA1 | I'll say |
| 03:09:00 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: damn I wish I had ops in here! ;-) |
| 03:09:10 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: I use plenty of Sun stuff.. not bad |
| 03:09:15 | kindergipA1 | hug him some more...give him one for nerp |
| 03:09:18 | | -!- * wegsterOS4 kicks ssolie whre it hurts....in his A1. |
| 03:09:25 | kindergipA1 | which one? |
| 03:09:30 | ssolie | lol |
| 03:09:40 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: nod, not so much on speed, but on redundancy, total solution, can offline CPUs and keep the os alive, etc. |
| 03:10:02 | wegsterOS4 | kindergipA1: I'm staying out of your c.s.a.a lovefest b/c I think you're all insane. |
| 03:10:08 | kindergipA1 | :) |
| 03:10:13 | ssolie | we switched from HP to Sun.. HP=high priced garbage by comparison imho.. Sun is being moved to cheap x86 stuff now :-/ |
| 03:10:18 | kindergipA1 | it keeps me writing |
| 03:10:24 | number6 | kindergipA1: Post #26: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=18601&forum=8&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0 |
| 03:10:36 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: yeah, but their 1U amd boxes rock AND are cheap, plus you get LOM |
| 03:10:51 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: the managers just don't get it... you know |
| 03:11:07 | wegsterOS4 | don't get me going on HP, just bought a used POS dual CPU HP box, rp-something something, forget model, but pos and $ |
| 03:11:28 | ssolie | HP is crap imho.. I suffered with their stuff for years |
| 03:11:32 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: yeah but at comparable pricing to dell servers (ick)...they're even priced competitively. |
| 03:12:04 | ssolie | with the HP servers a CPU would suddenly disappear every few months.. pffft |
| 03:12:04 | | -!- * wegsterOS4 is afraid but tried to load www.sun.com in IBrowse. |
| 03:12:57 | kindergipA1 | number6:thanks |
| 03:13:21 | number6 | kindergipA1: welcome |
| 03:13:49 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: this is the shiznit ;-) http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=138712 |
| 03:14:38 | wegsterOS4 | but the lower end 1U or of course the 4200's...very nice, and competitive with HP x86 etc. |
| 03:16:50 | ssolie | nice stuff :) |
| 03:16:58 | ssolie | does it run OS4? |
| 03:19:35 | wegster | ssolie: bah ;-) |
| 03:20:26 | | -!- * wegsterOS4 makes another attempt to use AVD UI builder to avoid ReAction evilness. |
| 03:20:43 | ssolie | it still needs work (AVD that is) |
| 03:20:59 | ssolie | you might want to give Emperor a try as well |
| 03:21:13 | ssolie | I still do it the old way.. whiteboard |
| 03:21:13 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie yeah, I know, just pinged Jamie on ML to see if it's alive etc. |
| 03:21:27 | wegsterOS4 | whiteboard is fine, cept I hate writing ui code at all. |
| 03:21:38 | ssolie | lol.. who doesn't hate ui code |
| 03:21:50 | wegsterOS4 | tried emperor, seems if can get it going in 'right direction' could be very useful |
| 03:22:01 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: groan, we've hired 'ui designers' recently. |
| 03:22:33 | wegsterOS4 | one decided he is a 'domain expert' for security and system terms. There is now a screen that says 'remediate the variance on target'. WTF? |
| 03:22:53 | | -!- * wegsterOS4 REALLY wants to find that site that used to let you pay someone to mail them a bag of actual feces. |
| 03:22:56 | ssolie | LOL! good show.. you fired him yet? |
| 03:23:24 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: no, but had a 3.5 hour meeting where he wanted to rename basic concepts like 'policies' and 'audit' into some unknown mess. I 'won' at least, but was fit to kill. |
| 03:23:25 | kindergipA1 | probably not his report |
| 03:23:57 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: try putting stuff in his water ;-) |
| 03:24:01 | | -!- * wegsterOS4 now lurves 'ui designers.' ketchup, please. |
| 03:24:14 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: it might improve his designs. liquid acid? ;-) |
| 03:24:24 | wegsterOS4 | the last one decided that 'context menus are bad.' |
| 03:24:35 | ssolie | oh man.. what a team you have there |
| 03:24:47 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: just seems to be the 'ui guys'. |
| 03:24:55 | ssolie | who needs context anyway.. wimps |
| 03:24:58 | wegsterOS4 | who btw, don't even CODE it, they just 'design' it. |
| 03:25:09 | wegsterOS4 | naah, complex ops, other option was mass dropdown suck menus. |
| 03:25:16 | wegsterOS4 | so got the ui coder to put it all back in ;-) |
| 03:25:31 | ssolie | wow.. what a cushy job.. I design GUIs but never code them.. sweet |
| 03:32:56 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: exactly, AND you get to cause half day meetings with 20 people in them, half of which don't even understand the discussion. I'm now told I don't have a rep for being an asshole, but 'persistent and convincing.' Heh. Works for me. |
| 03:34:39 | | -!- * ssolie points them to some of wegster's posts on AW.net for reference ;-) |
| 03:35:05 | wegsterOS4 | rofl, pls don't. work and 'play' = don't mix, too many loons. *points to kinder* |
| 03:35:37 | ssolie | LOL |
| 03:35:41 | | -!- * number6 updates his employee review of wegster...crosses out asshole and replaces with "persistent and convincing". |
| 03:35:43 | wegsterOS4 | problem is, never quite sure qho is on a conf call, so have since stopped caring, so occasionally have to rephrase 'you're an idiot', damnit :-( |
| 03:36:21 | wegsterOS4 | I've yet to answer 'who said that' with my manager's name, but it's being reserved for 'a special case', heheh. |
| 03:38:06 | ssolie | good plan :) |
| 03:38:53 | wegsterOS4 | ok, this is...frustrating. Need a half length row of buttons, with a vertical split, and the right hand side of same plane to be a dropdown. |
| 03:39:07 | wegsterOS4 | and somehow, this seems beyond me in AVD ui builder, ick. |
| 03:39:44 | | -!- * ssolie hopes Jamie comes out with an update soon |
| 03:40:10 | wegsterOS4 | no kidding. I think he did say something about monday, actually. looks like the start of a text editor is now there, in screenshot section |
| 03:40:35 | wegsterOS4 | freaked the other day when got notice my paypal was 'cancelled.' evidently he's now paid in full but has to cancel it manually, heh |
| 03:40:42 | ssolie | I've been begging him for a graphical diff tool |
| 03:41:12 | wegsterOS4 | good call. I'm lame, just want graphical gdb frontend and full search in sdk browser |
| 03:41:29 | ssolie | graphical gdb is coming |
| 03:41:37 | wegsterOS4 | from jamie or elsewhere? |
| 03:41:44 | ssolie | elsewhere... |
| 03:41:54 | wegsterOS4 | cool, will use it, from wherever it comes ;-) |
| 03:42:04 | ssolie | no kidding.. nice to have when you need it |
| 03:42:17 | ssolie | maybe Jamie is doing one as well.. dunno |
| 03:42:37 | wegsterOS4 | is part of avd but diff priority then err, when I want(ed) it ;-) |
| 03:49:26 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie anything out there to convert autodocs to man pages currently, or a good definition of the autodoc format, or...(last one) man for aos? |
| 03:55:43 | | <-- number6 has left #amigadev |
| 03:56:08 | | -!- * kindergipA1 notes wegs's comment in little blue book |
| 03:57:10 | ssolie | re |
| 03:57:24 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie anything out there to convert autodocs to man pages currently, or a good definition of the autodoc format, or...(last one) man for aos? |
| 03:57:37 | wegsterOS4 | crap, emperor dsi's on me too, doh. |
| 03:58:03 | ssolie | er.. probably (check Aminet).. the autodoc format is well defined in some NDK doc |
| 03:58:18 | wegsterOS4 | nod, ok...figured there's man but likely part of gg |
| 03:58:33 | ssolie | if you need an OS4 version of man let us know. |
| 03:58:42 | wegsterOS4 | why, got it? ;-) |
| 03:58:54 | ssolie | I can make one |
| 03:59:09 | wegsterOS4 | might be nice, but man -k support would be most...useful. |
| 03:59:16 | wegsterOS4 | which means 'windex' creation etc. |
| 03:59:38 | ssolie | what you want is a commandline autodoc searcher? |
| 03:59:42 | wegsterOS4 | then I'd 'do the bad thing' and convert all autodocs to man pages and use man -k happily |
| 03:59:54 | wegsterOS4 | yeah, but also for support of ported prog man pgs |
| 04:00:03 | ssolie | something that combines both |
| 04:00:26 | ssolie | so I can "man DupFileHandle" and it will pull it from dos.doc or "man ls" and I get the ls doc |
| 04:00:31 | wegsterOS4 | yes, or...other part is ncurses port, then I can port cscope |
| 04:00:36 | wegsterOS4 | yes |
| 04:00:54 | ssolie | ncurses as well.. you sure are demanding :) |
| 04:01:11 | wegsterOS4 | or man -k DupFilehandlke will list all files with a ref to DupFileHandle in it. |
| 04:01:17 | ssolie | I'd like the man-anything tool |
| 04:01:20 | wegsterOS4 | yeah but umm, then I'd port cscope, which rocks ;-) |