Utilitybase chatlog - 2006-03-05

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00:16:55 jahcMIRC ssolie: ok I'll try and fix that
00:16:59 jahcMIRC thanks
00:18:09 jahcMIRC ssolie: I love it when people tell me exactly how to reproduce a crash. makes fixing so much easier.
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10:05:51 jahc paste water
10:06:02 jahc Taterwonian
10:06:09 Watertonian ok. 1 sex
10:06:12 Watertonian ok. 1 sec
10:06:19 jahc 1 sex hehe
10:06:41 jahc wow version 1.1!! thats rare
10:06:54 jahc «Version» Watertonian VERSION Reply: AmIRC/AmigaOS 1.1 by Oliver Wagner
10:06:54 jahc (owagner@lsd.wupper.de) : http://www.vapor.com/AmIRC/ : [DEMO COPY] : This client is bug free. Trust
10:06:54 jahc me!
10:07:09 jahc my friend used to use that on his a600 to get his 2mb machine on irc
10:07:15 jahc and he used a really old amitcp as well
10:07:16 Watertonian lol
10:07:28 Watertonian whatever works
10:07:31 Watertonian :D
10:07:31 jahc he made a script to set everything up
10:07:49 jahc and I think he had around 400k free after getting online
10:08:28 jahc it was a long time ago, I cant remember
10:08:51 Watertonian generated code.
10:09:27 Watertonian compiling...
10:09:49 Watertonian Lattice LMK 5.10a Copyright (C) 1990 SAS Institute, Inc.
10:09:49 Watertonian SAS/C Compiler V5.10a for AmigaDOS
10:09:49 Watertonian Copyright (C) 1990 SAS Institute, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
10:09:49 Watertonian Compiling NONEMain.c
10:09:49 Watertonian Invalid -m option
10:09:49 Watertonian Module size P=000000FC D=00000076 U=00000008
10:09:52 Watertonian Compiling NONEGUI.c
10:09:54 Watertonian  struct MsgPort *CreatePort( UBYTE *name, long pri);
10:09:56 Watertonian clib/
10:09:59 Watertonian alib_protos.h 22 Error 72: external item attribute mismatch
10:09:59 Watertonian  unsigned long stackSize);
10:10:02 Watertonian clib/alib_protos.h 25 Error 72: external item attribute mismatch
10:10:04 Watertonian Press Y to abort, any other key to continue.
10:10:16 Watertonian Total files: 2, Compiled OK: 1, Failed to compile: 1
10:10:18 Watertonian Hit RETURN to Exit
10:10:22 Watertonian and thats the output
10:11:12 Watertonian what the heck does Error 72: external item attribute mismatch unsigned long stackSize); mean?
10:11:45 jahc ok, this is a problem for utilitybase.com ... go post
10:11:54 Watertonian ok
10:11:56 Watertonian ty
10:16:04 jahc you might want to use something more up to date
10:16:14 Watertonian ??
10:16:20 Watertonian c/c++ wise?
10:16:23 jahc vbcc is a C compiler for AmigaOS3/4 and MorphOS, and is still actively maintained
10:16:25 jahc its very mature
10:16:29 jahc but it doesnt do C++
10:16:39 Watertonian ahh.. aminet?
10:16:41 jahc SAS/C is very old I think
10:16:58 jahc people seemed to really like it back in the day, but I think it might be out of date by now.. yeeah vbcc ison aminet
10:17:12 Watertonian yeah. it only optimizes up to 040
10:17:56 jahc I found vbcc very easy to setup when I first used it in 1996
10:18:18 jahc I just copied the includes over and it just worked. But then again i was only doing ANSI stuff not AmigaOS
10:18:30 Watertonian ah..
10:18:39 jahc AmigaOS API was a black hole/mystery to me
10:18:52 Watertonian I've been doing code in bloodshed on winxp, and then compiling it with sas/c
10:19:12 Watertonian obviously only ansi stuff there. unless MUI is available for windows.. lol
10:22:39 Watertonian <sigh> gotta reboot. amigaamp just choked,,,,
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12:11:27 SixK lo
12:11:46 Belxjander hi there 6killer
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12:15:08 MrBot [racs] Pimp my flowers! ;)
12:15:09 racs hi there
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18:10:51 racs gone
18:10:52 racs bye all
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18:42:37 zerohero what's up with irc.amigaworld.net?
18:42:46 zerohero connection refused is what i get from it?
18:44:11 nicomen ping irc.amigaworld.net ?
18:44:44 nicomen us2 seems to be down
18:44:51 nicomen eu.amigaworld.net might be a safer bet
18:45:24 zerohero tried no., seems to work :)
18:46:11 nicomen yeah everybody uses that one ;/
18:46:18 nicomen too bad it's a pentium 2 266 mhz
18:46:25 zerohero heh
18:50:58 wegster us2 is back up..
18:51:17 zerohero it was you then
18:54:12 wegster zerohero: not me, alchemy's sucky bsd box ;-)
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18:55:42 nicomen wegster: core dump or similar?
18:55:53 nicomen would be nice to know why it stops working
18:57:01 wegster nicomen: nope, no core, doubt the default was to compile with -g anyways tho
18:57:30 nicomen no similar either?
18:57:36 nicomen log output? console output?
18:57:42 wegster does seem to go down a lot more than the others tho, maybe worth re-compiling..
18:57:46 nicomen it's the third time at least that it just goes
18:57:52 wegster nicomen: looking, dont think this guy logs much tho
18:57:55 nicomen or find the problem
18:57:56 nicomen ;)
18:58:00 nicomen the ircd logs
18:58:39 wegster nope, zero logs, log dir is empty.
18:58:52 wegster there a setting to enable 'additional' logging for ircd?
18:59:14 nicomen hm
18:59:53 nicomen ah you might be right
19:01:02 nicomen might be an idea to run with -t or -s yes
19:06:51 wegster running with -t now via screen.
19:07:06 nicomen great
19:07:47 wegster what's -s option? had to grep src for it, but got a bunch of hits as it seems s is used in ptr manipulation in the code ;-P
19:11:08 wegster nm found it.
19:11:33 wegster well crap, 'additional debug ino' would be good, your call if you want it bounched again.
19:15:59 nicomen ibn/ircd --help
19:16:02 nicomen bin/ircd --help
19:16:19 nicomen sure, only one client still anyway
19:26:22 wegster ok
19:30:21 wegster ok running in -s, fatfingered in screen once so restarted, but back up.
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21:28:03 BinoX Hello there :)
21:29:38 BinoX Anyone about?
21:35:30 wegster BinoX: nope :-) I'm sure nicomen is lurking tho ;-)
21:35:43 BinoX lol
21:36:16 wegster BinoX: what do you need?
21:36:19 BinoX Just looking for a bit of help on reaction and buttons.. Trying to find a way to fix it to a certain size... e.g. 50x50 pixels
21:36:32 BinoX if possible..
21:36:40 BinoX plz ^_^ heh
21:36:47 wegster there are a few reaction examples on os4depot, looked at those yet, or emperor to generate code then check it out?
21:37:21 BinoX I looked at the examples on os4depot... but I can't get emperor to work..
21:37:59 wegster hmm, emperor worked but was semi-complex. Sorry, in much same spot as you, used to coding for *nix, need to make time away from real work to do something on os4 :-(
21:39:01 BinoX heh.. I'm trying to port my css/html parser to OS4, but I relied too much on windows **** and am having to re-write most of it
21:39:19 BinoX Was gunna build it up to a fully functioning browser..
21:39:39 wegster yeah, saw that post/thread on forum. evil .net ;-)
21:39:52 BinoX lol yeah :(
21:39:57 wegster I suppose you could always be seriously daring and try to port mono :-)
21:40:27 BinoX heh.. Unfortunately I'm one of those bad coders out there that can only understand their own code.. lol
21:41:02 BinoX Although I did work out how to make dynamic reaction interfaces from the examples off os4 depot.. heh
21:41:24 wegster that's something ;-) I can't stand UI bits, drive me insane.
21:41:52 BinoX Yeah.. usually does that to me... but Reaction is a lot simpler than doing in under windows
21:41:55 BinoX it*
21:41:55 wegster was sort of hoping bitbybit's ui builder was going to be more useful at this point than it is (am a subscriber, have latest in dev beta) to work on something myself..
21:42:22 BinoX Yeah.. I have that beta too
21:42:29 BinoX Was hoping it was further along too.. heh
21:42:42 wegster true. Thankfully I haven't had to do any Windows dev in like 5 years now, which makes me SOO happy ;-)
21:42:46 BinoX lol
21:42:50 wegster ahh, are you a subscriber to their pdsp program?
21:43:17 BinoX No.. I missed the pre-subscribe... but I pre-paid for the AVD suite and got access that way
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21:43:30 AMiGR lo
21:43:35 wegster ahh gotcha.._supposed_ to be a release coming up at some point again.
21:43:44 wegster AMiGR: bah, idler/slacker ;-P
21:43:55   -!- * wegster grins@Amigr
21:43:59 BinoX yeah, they did say sometime during March :)
21:44:26 wegster BinoX: seems emperor can 'do it all' pretty much but seems somewhat unintuitive to use, but AVD UIBuilder just isn't there, and is _less_ intuitive to use :-(
21:45:00 wegster AMiGR: nicomen logs this channel, just FYI (to web, somewhere)..don't recall how toturn it off unfortunately.
21:45:17 BinoX yeah... Would like to see a visual basic style GUI builder... a fast way to churn out GUIs.. heh
21:45:30 AMiGR wegster: don't worry, I log all public channels myself;-)
21:46:10 BinoX My browser status so far is that I have the HTML parser reading through HTML and calling (currently non-existant) functions... I have the CSS parser doing the same... currently working on joining the 2 together and doing a GUI at the same time
21:46:17 wegster AMiGR: yeah I do too, just tend to forget this chan is being logged, still unsure I 'like' it :-(
21:46:30 wegster BinoX: I HATE VB, but yeah, for a ui builder ;-)
21:46:54 wegster BinoX: non-existent functions, why?
21:47:05 AMiGR wegster: unimplemented();
21:47:07 AMiGR ;-)
21:47:21 BinoX Having to totally re-write things like buildtable(vars)
21:47:35 wegster heh, naah, I meant it was working on doze, right, so they're macro'd out or?
21:47:59 BinoX In windows I actually statically placed windows elements around to make pages
21:48:08 BinoX but reaction doesn't allow for that
21:48:28 BinoX so I'm just doing what I can for now.. heh
21:48:41 wegster BinoX: you might also want to post the duplicate Qs at http://www.intuitionbase.com
21:49:02 wegster IB is basically dev only. there's also amigadev.amigaworld.net but umm, I think it's pretty dead..
21:49:18 wegster if zerohero shows up, he may be able to answer your reaction Qs tho
21:49:24 wegster he's usually on daily at some point
21:49:33 wegster actually, or itix for that matter
21:49:36 BinoX heh.. ok.. will post to both, just in case :)
21:49:39 wegster or ssolie.
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21:49:57 wegster I'd probably ignore amigadev.aw.net
21:50:06 wegster heh speaking of the dork, err, devil. zerohero ++ ! :-)
21:50:22 zerohero weggie
21:50:55 zerohero and it probably wasn't my fault
21:51:02 wegster hey zerohero, how goes it? BinoX has some reactiQ's, how's yer reaction? ;-)
21:51:09 wegster zerohero: was too, you know it's always your fault ;-)
21:51:16 wegster err reaction Qs even.
21:51:19 zerohero i deny it
21:51:28 wegster zerohero: s'ok, I have pictures :-)
21:51:32 zerohero BinoX: shot?
21:51:35 zerohero +o
21:51:54 zerohero wegster: i doubt it, and even if you do, my lawyer can prove they're fake
21:52:13 wegster he may be idle but was just here literally seconds ago, he may have gone to post to UB, lemme see if can find them.
21:52:25 wegster zerohero: my lawyer's bigger than your lawyer ;-)
21:52:50 wegster zerohero: "BinoX Just looking for a bit of help on reaction and buttons.. Trying to find a way to fix it to a certain size... e.g. 50x50 pixels"
21:53:00 wegster BinoX: yt?
21:54:20 AMiGR wegster: but my lawyer is fatter at the base
21:54:21 AMiGR :-D
21:54:42 wegster rofl
21:54:46 zerohero BinoX: CHILD_MinWidth, CHILD_MinHeight
21:54:57 zerohero BinoX: CHILD_MaxWidth, CHILD_MaxHeight
21:55:21 zerohero BinoX: from layout_gc.doc in autodocs
21:55:33 BinoX Oh cool, thx :)
21:55:34 zerohero i should get paid for this
21:55:40 wegster bah, he went off to idle, ahh he's back! ;-)
21:55:49   -!- * wegster hands zerohero a virtual cookie. :-)
21:55:50 BinoX Sorry I didn't reply.. Girlfriend pulled me away
21:56:01 zerohero wegster: gee, thanks
21:56:33 wegster zerohero: of course, it's a cookie to a pr0n site.. ;-)
21:56:36 zerohero two answers on aw.net as well
21:56:53 zerohero wegster: pr0n? isn't that like showing the menu for the starving?
21:56:57 wegster oh damn, did you just answer them? The Q on aw was untouched as of a few mins ago
21:57:04 wegster zerohero: heheheh!
21:57:23 wegster BinoX: better get the rest of the Qs in now that zero's non-idle ;-)
21:58:03 zerohero "the rest of the..." what's this, 20 q:s with zero? you gonna post them on aw.net later?
21:58:22 BinoX lol
21:58:39 wegster zerohero: naah, but they're now logged by nicomen anyways ;-)
21:58:57   -!- * zerohero goes very silent
21:59:00 BinoX 1 last question anyway ^_^;;; Can reaction elements be made to overlap? >_>
21:59:11 zerohero not that i know of
22:00:13 BinoX OK, thx :) Looks like I'll have to think of another way of doing layers
22:00:32 AMiGR zerohero: OT but the bubble bobble version I had on my Amstrad CPC as a child
22:00:43 AMiGR was cracked by "Zero The Hero"
22:00:44 AMiGR :-P
22:00:48 zerohero haha
22:01:14 zerohero my lawyer says i should say, it wasn't me...
22:01:30 wegster heheh uh oh, getting divorced or something jocke? Too much lawyer talk!
22:01:43 zerohero nah, nothing like that
22:01:55 BinoX zero... that's for the button sizing stuff... Now I can get on with making my browser :)
22:02:05 zerohero i've never spoken to a lawyer even
22:02:43 zerohero BinoX: great, make it shareware, say $1000 for the first release, and make sure it's released in "2 weeks"
22:02:49 BinoX rofl
22:02:51 wegster BinoX: hurry up or someone will come and hunt you down, see latest browser thread on aw ;-)
22:03:20 BinoX I'm doing it as fast as I can :) Holding down 3 jobs and having a Girlfriend cuts down on coding time.. lol
22:03:33 zerohero i bet
22:03:58 AMiGR there
22:04:04 AMiGR that's why I don't have a gf
22:04:05 AMiGR :-P
22:04:07 AMiGR (I wish)
22:04:20 BinoX haha
22:05:28 zerohero BinoX: amigadev.amigaworld.net is really dead, utilitybase.com is better. even dev forums at aw.net is better
22:05:51 wegster yep, personally I think we should let amigadev.aw.net just die already.
22:06:04 BinoX I posted on the dev forums at aw.net and was gunna post on utilitybase when you turned up :)
22:06:14 zerohero yeah, i was about to get hold of daveyd to talk to him about it
22:06:17 BinoX My GF (katie) tells me to say hello
22:06:23 BinoX (from her)
22:06:25 wegster I mentioned all 3 to BinoX but said ub and aw are better, amigadev = basically dead anyways.
22:06:27 zerohero hey katie :)
22:06:49 wegster zerohero: or point amigadev.aw.net to ub even..
22:07:03 zerohero you might be a good idea
22:07:23 zerohero wegster: there's no admin left at amigadev anyway
22:07:36 wegster zerohero: yeah I know it.
22:08:04 zerohero seems dvd isn't there atm
22:08:08 wegster even as it stands it doesn't offer anything ub doesn't or aw dev forum doesn't, just redundant.
22:08:29 BinoX Could always turn amigadev into a place where you can get example code..
22:08:34 zerohero but a placeholder to let people know would be good, the redirect in 10 secs or so
22:08:49 zerohero BinoX: ub.com is still better
22:08:59 wegster sure, and lock it as read-only with a link..shrug, not even sure that's needed.
22:09:05 zerohero zerohero has changed the topic to: Amiga development channel | Use http://utilitybase.com/paste for huge pastings | http://utilitybase.com | http://www.rootdirectory.de/solar/citations.html <-- teh funneys | http://www.ylonen.org/away.html
22:09:15 zerohero there, removed from topic as well :)
22:09:39 zerohero there are a few good snippets of code at amigadev tho
22:09:54 wegster copy em into 'amigadev archive' on ub then.
22:10:06 wegster with permission of course..
22:10:29 zerohero that's nicomens job ;)
22:11:55 zerohero hmm
22:12:04 wegster ?
22:12:11 zerohero anyone using diskimage.device under os4?
22:12:20 zerohero i cant get cd images to work
22:12:40 wegster for what, mounting an iso image loopback? Not I..
22:13:00 wegster mount it loopback on linux box and access it from there over smb?
22:13:05 zerohero yeah, not having to burn them to cd
22:13:25 zerohero nah, i've given up on smb
22:14:01 wegster why given up? Just ise smbfs instead of full samba
22:14:06 wegster s/ise/use
22:14:48 zerohero sure, but the linuxbox refuses to accept the incoming connection
22:15:16 zerohero so i gave up on it
22:15:29 zerohero and how do i mount iso images on linux?
22:15:32 zerohero never done that :)
22:15:32 wegster going which way, using smbd on the linux box? Have it working fine here since ud2 or so. You need to do something retarded like put host entries on the amiga box though for some reason.
22:15:34 wegster heh
22:15:49 wegster mount -oloop file.iso /mnt/<location>
22:16:06 zerohero ok
22:16:31 wegster (as root of course)
22:16:39 zerohero pfft :)
22:17:31 wegster zerohero: Davey poppedin on #aw
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22:25:10   -!- * BinoX prints out layout_gc.doc :D
22:25:46 zerohero BinoX: you should get http://os4depot.net/share/development/utility/autodocviewer.lha
22:26:01 zerohero BinoX: will let you display them in a sensible way
22:26:13 BinoX Thx :D
22:27:55 BinoX Oh.. while you're here.. Is it possible to set the background colour of an element or even a border color...
22:29:06 zerohero should be yes, but i don't know how
22:29:15 zerohero and not everything is in the autodocs yet
22:29:31 zerohero some of it you'll only find browsing the actuall includes
22:30:17 BinoX lol.. ok :)
22:30:39 BinoX Well, I'll read through the auto docs and then look through the includes
22:30:42 BinoX thanks for your help :D
22:31:02 zerohero np :)
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23:05:55 nicomen hm
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23:06:21 nicomen I could probably _try_ to juggle an swl dump into the forum at ub if anybody wants that
23:06:25 nicomen sql
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23:23:45 nicomen wegster: you know I actually log all channels I'm in. that's a feature of my irc client. good for looking back at things... don't get the point
23:25:59 AMiGR nicomen: same
23:26:27 nicomen but anyway, the bots should've said to people joining that it's also putting logs publicly
23:26:38 nicomen I thought I enabled that
23:27:34 wegster nicomen: the bot actually should allow a universal 'don't log me' as well ;-)
23:27:41 wegster and yes, I log all chans as well.
23:28:03 wegster nicomen: what's the forum run on at UB anyways?
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23:28:33 AMiGR wegster: well, not logging someone while logging the rest is silly, look at what it caused to the pupvswup newsnet archives
23:28:38 nicomen wegster: minibb I think
23:28:41 AMiGR (laire wasn't logged)
23:28:59 AMiGR it's all a bunch of ghost replies now
23:29:04 nicomen it's a dev channel not a secret kid porn ring
23:29:06 wegster AMiGR: nod, I know, but again, it doesn't notify and 2, snot everyone wants to be logged, that's all. er,, not.
23:29:09 nicomen should be ok
23:29:13 wegster nicomen: rofl
23:29:34 wegster did zerohero catch davey?
23:30:10 nicomen weird shit about entrymsg
23:30:23 wegster nicomen: ?
23:32:15 nicomen 00:32 <nicomen> set #amigadev entrymsg This channel is logged, prefix [off] to not have a line logged. Logs: http://irc.utilitybase.com/amigadev
23:32:18 nicomen 00:32 -ChanServ(Admin@Amigaworld.NET)- Entry message for #amigadev changed.
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23:32:35 nicomen nothing
23:33:08 wegster heh
23:34:10 AMiGR 23:32:35 <nicomen> nothing
23:34:10 AMiGR 23:33:08 <wegster> heh
23:34:11 AMiGR n
23:34:13 AMiGR indeed
23:34:14 AMiGR :-P
23:35:13 zerohero wegster: i spoke to dvd, then i crashed, rebooted and left him in the other channel ;)
23:35:28 zerohero wegster: ic was the only answer i saw
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23:36:15 AMiGR zerohero: that was his only reply
23:36:47 zerohero ok
23:40:15 wegster AMiGR: [off] shut up ;-)
23:40:22 wegster zerohero: heh excellent, did he poof now?
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23:41:31 zerohero wegster: poof?
23:43:39 wegster zerohero: yea, as in is he still around/why not finish the convo.
23:43:51 zerohero wegster: i forgot :)
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23:52:25   -!- * Varthall requests for a port wxWidgets
23:52:33 Varthall port of wxWidgets
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23:57:55   -!- * BinoX yawns
23:58:12 BinoX Getting somewhere now :D
23:58:30 zerohero i'll be expecting that browser any day now
23:58:54 BinoX it'll be two weeks... :p
23:59:05 zerohero i can wait two weeks
23:59:14 zerohero i've been doing that since the early 90's
23:59:18 BinoX xD
23:59:40 BinoX I'm not making any promises that I'll ever manage to get it working well.. but I'll try