Utilitybase chatlog - 2006-02-13

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00:39:46 wegsterOS4 anyone see anything obvious or 'bad' in here? http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17531&forum=14
00:40:37 number6 Layout or point by point of your thread?
00:41:15 nicomen sure,you are using a forum when a Wiki or FAQ would be the right tool?
00:41:25 wegsterOS4 number6: either
00:41:43 wegsterOS4 nicomen: I know, but then that would eithger make me throw up a wiki or you'd suggest dev.ub.com ;-)
00:42:49 wegsterOS4 there's a wiki up on aw server but it's for OO only afaik.
00:44:34 ssolie wegsterOS4: wow.. you put a lot of effort into this
00:45:11 wegsterOS4 ssolie: a 'few' edits here and there, heh ;-) We _always_ see SOS asked in 30 diff places, thought might be useful for those who haven't updated yet or are hitting issues.
00:45:21 ssolie wegsterOS4: I'm learning a lot as well tbh
00:45:41 nicomen wegsterOS4: hm?
00:45:43 wegsterOS4 ssolie: feel free to 'fill in any blanks' ;-) There are certainly some in there.
00:45:57 number6 wegster: Could you check the docs against this from SG2:"ie 600 buffers in all cases". I recommended 500 and "he's the man".
00:45:59 nicomen anyway, thats the only "wrong" thing I can see about it
00:46:08 nicomen as I fail to read more than a couple of lines ;/
00:46:31 wegsterOS4 number6: I think I checked against docs, but will do so again, one sec.
00:46:35 wegsterOS4 nicomen: bah ;-)
00:47:17 ssolie wegsterOS4: I hope you reformat that as an FAQ article or something
00:47:38 wegsterOS4 ssolie: maybe once it's 'done,' whenever that one is??
00:48:23 ssolie wegsterOS4: when things slow down perhaps
00:48:27 wegsterOS4 number6: this is from a1ide.device: "A few things you must know :
00:48:27 wegsterOS4 - You'll get decent performance from any FS only with buffers >= 500
00:48:27 wegsterOS4 - You'll get decent performance from FFS only with blocksize >= 2048"
00:48:34 wegsterOS4 ssolie: yeah, that ;-)
00:49:37 ssolie ideally, I would hope the buffer thing would become adaptive
00:50:13 wegsterOS4 that would be nice, like *nix caches filesystem based on use etc.
00:50:20 ssolie yes indeed
00:50:20 wegsterOS4 and 'free' ram etc.
00:50:25 number6 wegsterOS4: ok on buffers. Maybe keep my info about serial in a separate post so that it is not confusing? Post #14 (encorporate part of my post #17 referring to Sashimi PPC perhaps) : http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17610&forum=14
00:50:35 ssolie wegsterOS4: another feature for 4.1 perhaps :)
00:50:44 wegsterOS4 ssolie: heh that would be nice ;-)
00:51:16 nicomen wegsterOS4: good initiative though ;)
00:51:42 wegsterOS4 nicomen: rolf, YOU didn't read it, so it could say, 'solution- format and buy a mac'! ;-)
00:51:47   -!- * ssolie applauds wegster for his effort
00:51:49 number6 wegsterOS4: Feel free to consolidate/edit the two posts #14 and #17.
00:52:11 nicomen wegsterOS4: didn't say good content, I said good initiative ;)
00:52:20 nicomen btw. I read t when it had a readable size
00:52:24 wegsterOS4 nicomen: heheh ok ok, true
00:52:34 wegsterOS4 nicomen: what doesn't have a readable size? quotes?
00:52:56 wegsterOS4 number6: am looking, looks like a few more tips for speeding up boot, then what, seperate section on debugging?
00:54:02 ssolie careful with the boot speedups.. I saw one guy recommend putting "Run" in front of everything.. bad idea
00:54:09 number6 wegsterOS4: I only meant to perhaps edit just the facts from my two posts and insert in your document post #1 in the main thread in relation to "serial dialup" only, just to keep things straight.
00:54:50 wegsterOS4 ssolie: nod, not grabbing all of that, but there are already some bits using 'run'...I can't use it, or not for network as smbfs would sort of 'not work' then ;-)
00:55:10 nicomen wegsterOS4: basically too many mixes of various things, hard to see when an issue starts and ends, lot of bold everywhere making the result harder to read
00:55:34 wegsterOS4 nicomen: nod, don't have access to heading tags, so I think is best I can do with it on forum anyways?
00:55:51 wegsterOS4 avery 'heading' is underscored, every sep topic is bolded, better idea?
00:55:52 nicomen yup
00:55:58 wegsterOS4 s/avery/every
00:56:31 nicomen prefix with " * ", " - " or " 1. "
00:56:33 wegsterOS4 number6: give me a combined statement then b/c most of what I see in there is: already covered - ie disable network if you aren't on ethernet, rest is re debugging?
00:56:36 nicomen the title on every topic
00:56:46 nicomen add two linefeeds between each
00:56:47 wegsterOS4 nicomen: for which, items under each heading?
00:56:57 nicomen yep
00:57:08 wegsterOS4 ok, will go play with it a bit.
00:57:28 number6 wegsterOS4: Let me scan the whole summary first. Then I will reply here.
00:57:55 nicomen can one use <pre> tags? (for commands)
00:58:30 nicomen remove linefeed after [quote] keyword to avoid extra vertical space at the top of the quoting table
00:58:59 wegster nicomen: unsure, editing in xoops has pretty much always pissed me off.
00:59:28 nicomen if you want to trick in yet another color, use empty links ;)
00:59:46 wegster grin, what [url=][/url]?
00:59:56 nicomen [url=#]This should be red[/url]
01:00:03 wegster actually I guess [url=]text[/url]
01:00:03 nicomen something like that yes
01:00:06 wegster nod
01:00:15 wegster hmm that might help, tx!
01:01:05 nicomen http://www.amigacentre.co.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
01:01:24 nicomen http://amigawiki.com
01:04:47 wegster knew about the second, not the first.
01:05:48 nicomen first is a non-working link of the second
01:07:40 wegster ahh ok
01:11:45 number6 wegster: sending you dcc. Can you not receive?
01:12:01 wegster number6: evidently not, try os4 wookie can't send to me in xchat
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01:13:23 number6 wegsterOS4: sending you dcc. Anything?
01:14:03 number6 Users of serial dialup:
01:14:05 number6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:14:05 number6 Comment out the following line from "s:startup-sequence"
01:14:05 number6 with ";" so it reads as follows:
01:14:05 number6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:14:05 number6 ;C:AddNetInterface >NIL: DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.(info|off))
01:14:07 number6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:14:08 number6 The first line of "s:startup-sequence" is:
01:14:11 number6 ; $VER: Startup-Sequence 51.2 (28.05.2005)
01:14:12 number6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:14:15 number6 Add the following two lines after the line shown above:
01:14:17 number6 kdebug "debuglevel 0" >NIL:
01:14:19 number6 kdebug "console memory" >NIL:
01:14:21 number6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:14:23 number6 Note:After adding these 2 lines and rebooting the following applies:
01:14:25 number6 Typing in Shell: DumpDebugBuffer [filename] will send the debug
01:14:27 number6 from console to file.
01:14:28 number6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
01:15:23 wegster number6: umm yes that is identical to what was posted. The first bit is already in the 'faq' and the second (debugging) I'm not sure belongs in there.
01:17:47 number6 wegster: (1)No. I made a correction made in typing haste. This has correct "startup-sequence". Previously I said "user-startup". (2) Edit as you see fit (3) I do not intend to cover Sashimi here, as I think your goal is to "keep it simple".
01:18:11 number6 I corrected my former post to reflect this error on my part.
01:19:32 wegster number6: already there: "Slow bootup, screen blanks for a number of seconds before going into WorkBench.
01:19:32 wegster NOTE: If you're on dialup AND not on Ethernet also, you want to comment out the below line, not replace it, to speed up startup.
01:19:32 wegster In Startup-Sequence, replace:
01:19:32 wegster C:AddNetInterface >NIL: DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.(info|off)
01:19:32 wegster with
01:19:34 wegster Run >NIL: C:AddNetInterface >NIL: DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.(info|off)"
01:19:46 wegster line 2 of pasted.
01:20:38 number6 wegsterOS4: ok. You have a section titled "network related". Maybe the rest should go there? (less what you edit out)
01:21:07 wegster I can add it back in as a duplicate in network related as well.
01:22:24 number6 ok. next issue...radeon tooltypes...
01:23:26 number6 The .pdf info is quite correct. Please compare with what you have in the thread post #1 and amend as necessary.
01:24:11 number6 ah! You refer to the .pdf. ok
01:24:14 wegster I don't have rad tooltypes mentioned in thread. Something 'complete' as a statement instead of 'read pdf' would be nice ;-)
01:24:35 wegster I think I only saw one person having to play with the INTERRUPTS setting again?
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01:25:05 number6 wegster: You mention "radeon" tooltypes in your section "Screen mode problems"....
01:25:09 wegster ok, red looks better for headings anyways. I hate xoops ;-)
01:25:30 wegster number6: yes, not all of them, I think you're talking about 'how to add a new screen mode'?
01:26:15 number6 Yes. Referring to .pdf, is a good idea. (as you stated).
01:30:58 number6 In addition, radeon tooltype "INTERRUPT" is not included in "clean install". Only users with "prior" install have this tooltype, because they "experimented" with it under ud#3.
01:31:22 wegster see pm or is wookie dead for additional tabs for you?
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01:59:33 wegster ssolie: can you confirm videocard tooltyp INTERRUPT is still valid in ud4?
02:05:00 ssolie wegster: just a sec..
02:08:07 ssolie seems it is disabled by default atm
02:08:16 ssolie it still exists but I would not use it
02:09:29 ssolie according to my notes, vertical blank interrupts were fixed with update 4
02:09:52 wegster so shouldn't need it, even though sobra and thomas said to set them in thread?
02:10:15 ssolie according to my information, you don't need it
02:10:19 wegster ok
02:10:27 ssolie it was a confusing time.. interrupts worked.. then they didn't.. then they did
02:10:53 ssolie I'm not surprised you are getting multiple stories
02:11:43 number6 ssolie: Any word from Josh? Wasn't he the radeon dev?
02:12:03 ssolie haven't tried to contact him yet.. I'm just checking my notes
02:12:23 number6 ok.
02:13:00 ssolie I could be wrong as well of course :)
02:13:07 ssolie not the answer you want to hear
02:16:46 ssolie did you guys notice anything different about the IDE driver yet?
02:18:59   -!- * ssolie drops a hint and nobody listens :)
02:19:16 jahc ssolie: what?
02:19:42 jahc IDE for sil0680, via ide, classic amigas or what?
02:19:59 ssolie yes
02:20:16 jahc ok I dont feel like playing cryptic games.
02:20:30 ssolie so be it
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02:30:47 jahc wegster: trying your solution.
02:30:48 jahc brb
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02:42:00 wegster ssolie: hrm don't think so other then the sii driver seems to ignore uboot options or resets them?
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02:51:33 jahc how do you format a sata drive?
02:51:40 jahc it was already formatted, but I wanted to make it sfs
02:51:44 jahc now it wont format
02:51:55 jahc I put the update4 sys:l/ slb on it
02:55:17 wegster jahc partition it then format is using sfsformat?
02:55:32 jahc uh oh.. having troubles.. give me a few mins
02:56:24 wegster actually you tag it as sfs anyways, should be able to just mount it and right click to format, but make sure you set fstype correctly, gerab toaks sfs tutorial off ub or ib
02:56:28 jahc "could write rdb to disk! write error in sector 0"
02:56:44 jahc on workbench it says "sata:unreadable" (I named it "sata")
02:57:26 wegster err could or could not?
02:57:32 jahc its making my computer pause for seconds every time I access it
02:57:39 jahc couldnt I mean
02:58:34 wegster anything out over serial? something's up if you can't write the rdb
02:59:03 jahc everytime i try to do something to it in mediatoolbox the computer pauses for 15 seconds or so... very frustrating.
02:59:11 jahc bbl, I'll try and nut this out.
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03:12:11 jahc well..
03:12:17 jahc I can format it to FFS
03:12:19 jahc but not SFS
03:12:40 jahc it says "error volume is full" with SFS
03:12:50 jahc when trying to do a quick format that is
03:13:09 jahc btw, the reboot fixed the "unreadable" thing I mentioned before
03:13:18 jahc bbl, fixing up a friends a1 down the road.
03:17:21 wegsterOS4 jahc - heh you're scaring me with the word 'fixing' ;-) check the fs type
03:22:00 ssolie how interesting.. the mos thread genesi started on morphzone has just disappeared
03:22:08 wegsterOS4 kidding?
03:22:13 ssolie look for yourself
03:22:21 ssolie I was just reading it, hit refresh and it is gone
03:22:54 wegster so it is...nice.
03:23:36 number6 Maybe they moved it into an "alternate OS" forum?
03:24:38 AC ssolie: its was guite intersting IMHO
03:24:55 ssolie for the record, the last thing I read was "CISC" stating how Genesi hurt his friends
03:25:04 wegster ssolie: yeah same here.
03:25:36 ssolie wegster: send freaks in to scream about censorship [kidding]
03:25:56   -!- * ssolie is a bad boy
03:26:20 wegsterOS4 lol!
03:27:53 number6 #amigaworld had a bit of a discussion going on about the thread.
03:29:10 ssolie could just be a technical thing.. best not to read anything into it.. yet
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03:51:27 number6 Don't mind me. Just opening and closing some tabs here...
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04:03:47   -!- * wegsterOS4 vcrosses fingers. network printing again under ud4...maybe?
04:04:58 number6 wegsterOS4: Did you ever use Turboprint/Graphics publisher?
04:05:21 wegsterOS4 number6: yeah, but not in like err, last 6 years? ;-)
04:06:01 wegsterOS4 if catweasel drivers ever actually show up, that might change (will have to search disks), but in the meantime, printing over network to PS workgroup printer has worked fine for me.
04:06:19 wegsterOS4 but it seems prt: and other bits don't seem to exist in ud4.
04:06:34 wegsterOS4 hrm, I hear printer either warming up or printing, that's a good sign.
04:06:40 arc well wegster, looks like some files ae missing on a web site
04:06:55 wegsterOS4 arc - which site?
04:07:00 arc a blue web site
04:07:12 wegsterOS4 arc oh, the forum or the gpl software list?
04:07:23 arc the forums are gone
04:07:28 wegsterOS4 err ALL forums?
04:07:43 arc the neg. ones are
04:08:17 wegsterOS4 nod, saw that.
04:08:18 arc i just read moo bunny, and it had links that are now dead
04:08:35 number6 arc: Dead links? Oh! The horror!
04:08:42 arc I know been told shouldn't read moo
04:08:58 arc yes, its such a change
04:09:11 wegsterOS4 he
04:09:34 wegsterOS4 well, bear in mind bbrv has 'mod' status there, was it in the genesi forum?
04:09:48 arc yes
04:09:50 wegsterOS4 I wouldn't think targhan would delte it, but *shrug*
04:10:01 number6 arc: "reading the bunny"...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
04:10:38 wegsterOS4 heh
04:10:45 wegsterOS4 ahh, network printing once again.
04:10:46 arc nah, the bunny isn't good for my health
04:12:02 number6 arc: What's the matter. Not a fan of science fiction?
04:12:12 wegsterOS4 this blows, am now going to emergenecy room at 6am, as I don't think will be able to get a real appointment and I have to do more interviews today.
04:12:13 arc lol
04:12:30 wegsterOS4 but...priting works, woo hoo ;-)
04:12:37 arc get ur butt to a spa wegster
04:12:54 wegsterOS4 arc I keep asking for a swedish blonde masseuse but they haven't complied so far!
04:13:13 arc awww poor babie
04:13:32 wegsterOS4 heh s'ok, female friend going to take me, leaving door unlocked so maybe wake up 'nicely' at least ;-)
04:14:30 wegsterOS4 is it worth doing a quick writeup on network printing?
04:15:11 number6 wegsterOS4: What? For the people learning how to use their "power" button?
04:15:24 wegsterOS4 number6: yeah groan that's what I thought.
04:15:56 number6 It'll keep. Focus on getting better. We'll still be here you know.
04:16:24 wegsterOS4 easy enough although I used netparlpr last time, had some issues this time so using lpr-dev, but the instructions aren't needed to be followed considering there's a device remapper in devs that can be used now
04:16:41 wegsterOS4 number6: yes but I have 45 mins until 'the l word' comes on ;-)
04:16:47 wegsterOS4 rofl
04:23:44 wegsterOS4 uh oh, looks like IbrowseNetwork is about to sh1t itself on me :-(
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04:48:59 jahc back
04:50:13 number6 ...and forth.
04:50:16 jahc just installed turboprefs on my friends a1.
04:50:31 jahc it kept failing at the very start
04:50:50 jahc in the end I found out if you accepted the default partition and didnt try to choose another partiton like sys:, then it worked
04:51:21 jahc and get this.. yesterday he was given 2 free amiga 4000's
04:51:25 jahc one with 040, another with 060
04:51:29 jahc no gfx cards
04:51:38 jahc a commodore 1950 monitor
04:51:46 jahc tons of amiga->svga monitor adapters
04:51:51 jahc three brand new amiga mice
04:51:56 jahc three amiga a4000 keyboards
04:52:07 jahc all he had to do was drive across town and pick them up
04:52:12 jahc tons of original boxed software
04:52:27 jahc a big box full of amiga books
04:52:38 jahc he's so lucky
04:52:55 jahc I'm hoping he'll offer me a free a4000. hes going to give me everything he doesnt want.
04:52:58 number6 luckier than I with erm...
04:53:00 jahc I'm hoping for another mouse too
05:04:17 jahc <foody> I think I am going to squeeze everything that AGA chipset can handle
05:04:22 jahc hows he going to do that with blitz basic?
05:05:01 wegster shh
05:05:01 number6 Dunno. Does blitz basic allow scan line interrupts?
05:05:21 wegster arc is a spy for foody, he's gonna go run and tell him now ;-)
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06:45:04 zerohero <-- testing the new scrollwheel support in aweb
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06:50:25 zerohero wb wegsterOS4
06:50:36 wegsterOS4 heh thx
06:50:53 wegsterOS4 are there any tooltypes settable for GrimReaper?
06:51:10 zerohero no idea, check with snoopdos, and crash something ;)
06:51:23 wegsterOS4 I did
06:51:28 zerohero nothing?
06:51:50 wegsterOS4 don't see anything anyways...what does a 'get tooltype' look like in SD?
06:52:06 wegsterOS4 see nothing for prefs either in EVN: etc, was hoping
06:52:13 zerohero was a while since i checked... hold
06:52:20 wegsterOS4 want mainly to set default crashlog location to somewhere outside of RAM:
06:53:18 zerohero the action row says tooltype
06:53:46 zerohero and the target name is set to the tooltype in question
06:54:04 zerohero ie tooltype cx_popup
06:54:24 zerohero bah
06:54:37 zerohero snoopdos crashed wb :/
06:54:38 wegsterOS4 hmm ok then no joy, bummer
06:54:42 wegsterOS4 doh really?
06:55:12 zerohero might have been something else, but wb crashed after closing sd
06:55:20 zerohero brb
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06:56:19 wegsterOS4 re
06:56:30 zerohero danke schön
06:56:49 wegsterOS4 zerohero: what option in SD needs to be set to catch them? I've pretty much got everything enabled but curious
06:57:13 zerohero no idea, but it must be some dos.library one
06:57:17 zerohero :)
06:57:33 wegsterOS4 nod, ok, bummer, I hate logs going to ram
06:57:54 zerohero bah
06:58:04 zerohero it has a readtooltypes option you lazy bum ;)
06:58:28   -!- * wegsterOS4 blushes. heh
06:58:50 zerohero btw, i have aweb beta with mousewheel support ;)
06:58:59 zerohero it's in the cvs
06:59:12 wegsterOS4 bah ;-) IB works with mousewheel
06:59:21 zerohero it does :)
07:00:01 zerohero but ib is more crashprone than aweb, at least here
07:01:01 wegster eh?
07:01:23 wegster IB never crashes, just IBNetwork...occasionally. I have a cute snapshot somewhere of tryign to close IB while IBrowseNetwork is hung ;-)
07:01:36 jahc zerohero: agreed.
07:01:58 zerohero sure, same thing, and sometimes when you close ib the main task uses all the cpu, without ever closing
07:04:40 wegsterOS4 zerohero: haven't seen that one yet
07:04:56 zerohero what do you guys think is best with upd4 so far then?
07:05:18 wegsterOS4 the sdk? Oh, wait ;-)
07:05:27 zerohero hehe
07:05:29 wegsterOS4 stability I think has gone up.
07:05:35 wegsterOS4 expanded radeon drivers
07:05:44 wegsterOS4 screen dragging is umm...it makes some happy.
07:05:49 wegsterOS4 ahh yes
07:05:56 wegsterOS4 USB STACK DOESNT HANG ANY MORE!
07:06:02 wegsterOS4 (on my kvm etc)
07:06:15 wegsterOS4 jahc - ygm
07:06:36 jahc you get me?
07:06:37 wegsterOS4 petunia is pretty quick for most things.
07:06:44 zerohero it is
07:06:49 wegsterOS4 You've Got Mail, or in your case, You've Got Male.
07:07:30 wegsterOS4 AmigaInput will be nice once someone docs it, now that I've got it working.
07:07:56 wegsterOS4 but I think there's a lot of under the covers fixed, randomly checking versions looks like nearly everything has seen changes.
07:07:58 jahc jeez do you actually like that bullshit multi column display hehe
07:08:02 jahc I need to fix it, make it remember its size
07:08:10 jahc but I'm not sure how to get that info..
07:08:12 jahc me look
07:08:29 wegsterOS4 jahc well, I didn't, I gave you grief when you made it.
07:08:47 jahc yeah I remember. hehe
07:08:48 wegsterOS4 but I think I set it to try it and saved settings, so it's 'stuck' there at moment.
07:08:54 wegsterOS4 ;-)
07:09:25 jahc I wont bother trying to improve it for now. it sucks too badly.
07:09:29 wegsterOS4 it would be good if it were resizeable tho.
07:09:38 wegsterOS4 just toggled back and forth between it enabled and not.
07:09:40 zerohero multi columns for timestamp, nick, actuall text?
07:09:52 wegsterOS4 not multi- just draggable/resizeable
07:09:57 wegsterOS4 time and nick cols too wide
07:10:00 jahc AHA!! MUIA_NList_Format -- [ISG], STRPTR
07:10:06 jahc "G"
07:10:10 zerohero shouldn't remember any settings, it should be as small as possible
07:10:30 wegsterOS4 zerohero: shaddup, this is wookie, the fattest IRC client in existence, 100% static buffers ;-)
07:10:31 jahc zerohero: i'll make you as small as possible in a minute.
07:10:39 wegsterOS4 rofl
07:10:46 zerohero and the ability to cut nicks off at a given length
07:10:52 wegsterOS4 zerohero: careful, I think he's gonna show family pictures ;-)
07:10:58 zerohero ufff
07:11:02   -!- * zerohero backs away
07:11:25   -!- * zerohero fetches his family album
07:11:28 wegsterOS4 jahc btw, ya need to change the wookie icon to the one I use ;-)
07:11:31 zerohero two can play this game
07:11:44   -!- * wegsterOS4 is glad apparently his dcc is borken ;-)
07:12:37 jahc wegster: your transfers to orgin didnt work?
07:13:05 wegster nope, zerohero your dcc working? Had them working either from xchat or os4 before...
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07:14:38 zerohero seems b0rked to me
07:14:47 zerohero i get the right ip, can't connect tho
07:15:05 zerohero wegsterAmIrc: ip 10.0.0.66 from this one tho
07:15:16 wegsterOS4 hrm ok, might be my end also, shit. Changed fw settingsat one point. Doh, really? not good.
07:16:01 zerohero probably your end, i'd say :)
07:16:15 wegsterOS4 zerohero: hrm how did you set your outbound ip for dcc in amirc?
07:16:41 zerohero wegsterOS4: network tab in prefs
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07:17:55 wegsterOS4 zerohero: uhh where? I have Amirc/Settings then no network tab
07:18:47 zerohero maybe it was introduced in one of the betas?
07:19:04 wegsterOS4 hrm must be you're on 3.5.25 I'm on 3.5
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07:21:53 zerohero timestamp font seem hardcoded in amirc
07:21:56 zerohero how wierd
07:33:37 jahc zero: should I be able to use get() with this?
07:33:38 jahc NAME
07:33:38 jahc MUIA_NList_Format -- [ISG], STRPTR
07:34:57 zerohero no, don't think so
07:35:46 zerohero those format strings can be a pain, imo
07:37:21 zerohero "BAR W=-1,BAR W=-1, BAR"
07:37:33 zerohero that's how it looks in mui unarc :)
07:38:42 jahc I know how to set them, but I want to grab the current settings to remember them
07:38:46 zerohero not sure why you want to save the width of them, just make them as small as possible
07:39:00 zerohero with the exception of the main text one
07:39:06 jahc I'd rather have the user be able to change them
07:39:37 zerohero that's juts wierd imo :)
07:39:40 zerohero