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| 00:27:45 | Chain|Q | hi |
| 00:28:45 | Chain|Q | i installed os4 update 4 on an empty 40gb hdd. installation went all OK. still, when i try to boot from the hdd, kernel gets loaded, and then i get empty black screen. hints? :) |
| 00:29:00 | Chain|Q | according to my monitor, it's 640x480/60hz |
| 00:29:13 | Chain|Q | ah, the machine is ua1/gx |
| 00:30:10 | AC | how long did you wait? |
| 00:30:58 | Chain|Q | minutes? :) |
| 00:31:27 | AC | ohh |
| 00:33:28 | AC | if it only were 20-30 sec. it chould be roadshow blocking bootup |
| 00:38:37 | Chain|Q | what's even more strange |
| 00:38:41 | Chain|Q | i can get into early startup menu |
| 00:38:48 | Chain|Q | but when i click boot with nostartup |
| 00:38:52 | Chain|Q | again, only black screen |
| 00:38:54 | Chain|Q | wtf?! :) |
| 00:40:36 | AC | sounds like kickstart problem, did you try the others boot options (1-4) ? |
| 00:41:46 | Chain|Q | no |
| 00:41:49 | Chain|Q | let's try |
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| 00:50:15 | Chain|Q | disabled jit |
| 00:50:17 | Chain|Q | same |
| 00:51:04 | AC | hmm |
| 00:51:36 | AC | and you can boot the cd ? |
| 00:51:53 | Chain|Q | yeah |
| 00:51:54 | Chain|Q | hmm |
| 00:51:55 | Chain|Q | strange |
| 00:52:01 | Chain|Q | managed to get boot with nostartup screen |
| 00:52:09 | Chain|Q | no c:, empty sys: (!!) |
| 00:53:07 | Chain|Q | but when i boot from CD, it's OK |
| 00:53:12 | Chain|Q | or at least looks OK |
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| 00:54:31 | AC | the only thing I can think of is that you have a damaged kickstart module |
| 00:55:46 | AC | did you remember to update the slb on the hd? |
| 00:56:01 | Chain|Q | yea |
| 00:56:02 | Chain|Q | i did |
| 00:56:03 | Chain|Q | of course |
| 00:56:07 | Chain|Q | heh |
| 00:56:07 | Chain|Q | fun |
| 00:56:30 | Chain|Q | selected bootdisk DH0 by hand in early startup menu |
| 00:56:32 | Chain|Q | pressed boot |
| 00:56:34 | Chain|Q | and it booted |
| 00:57:04 | AC | okey, really wierd |
| 00:57:09 | Chain|Q | ok, let's figure out why it doesn't want to use the drive by default |
| 01:00:33 | number6 | Chain|Q: Only one partition? Boot priority set ok? |
| 01:00:48 | Chain|Q | three partitions |
| 01:00:50 | Chain|Q | only one bootable |
| 01:00:53 | Chain|Q | boot pri is 0 |
| 01:01:16 | number6 | ok |
| 01:01:32 | number6 | FFS or SFS? |
| 01:02:35 | Chain|Q | SFS |
| 01:03:38 | number6 | blocksize normal 512? |
| 01:03:48 | ssolie | I'd suspect the uboot vars myself.. |
| 01:04:32 | ssolie | or maybe two volumes with the same boot pri? |
| 01:04:47 | Chain|Q | hmmm |
| 01:04:50 | Chain|Q | this is black magic |
| 01:04:54 | Chain|Q | now boots |
| 01:04:59 | Chain|Q | even after cold reboot |
| 01:05:01 | ssolie | lol |
| 01:05:08 | Chain|Q | even after power cycle |
| 01:05:26 | Chain|Q | ?!?!... ... whatever ;) |
| 01:05:39 | ssolie | sometimes I've noticed you need to leave the machine off for a minute to totally reset it |
| 01:07:54 | number6 | Absolutely. |
| 01:08:45 | Chain|Q | this is beyond me ;) i sucked an hour with this, reinstalled at least 3 times before i was asking for help |
| 01:09:00 | Chain|Q | thanks anyway, seems to work now |
| 01:11:51 | number6 | "cold start" is your best friend..." |
| 01:13:47 | ssolie | number6: actually, a serial cable is your best friend in these situations but we can't expect users to have them ;) |
| 01:14:21 | number6 | or to have a free port to use them..... |
| 01:15:13 | ssolie | the whole 'gone dark' problem has always annoyed me.. I've complained before |
| 01:15:45 | ssolie | you just have no idea what is going on and the only way to find out is via the serial port |
| 01:16:09 | ssolie | same thing will happen if uboot fails before the vga is activated |
| 01:18:08 | ssolie | I hope we can focus some attention on this area before the final release |
| 01:19:57 | number6 | Agreed. Frankly, on my Micro, I think I have only seen "dark" once. I think on "soft" reboot vs "hard". |
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| 01:32:00 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: hey |
| 01:32:42 | wegsterOS4 | hey ssolie how goes it? |
| 01:32:55 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: great.. I can finally release some s/w :) |
| 01:33:12 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: oooh ;-) Hints? |
| 01:33:16 | ssolie | wegsterOS4: nope |
| 01:33:22 | wegsterOS4 | lol, shoulda known |
| 01:33:32 | wegsterOS4 | is it in the News? ;-) |
| 01:33:38 | ssolie | btw, I noticed a disturbing trend in the forums.. |
| 01:33:50 | ssolie | people are reverting bits of OS4 back to update 3 versions.. very bad idea |
| 01:34:09 | wegsterOS4 | nod, noticed that, in some cases seems only way around issues though, such as screenblanker etc? |
| 01:34:21 | ssolie | it isn't a way 'around' though |
| 01:34:49 | ssolie | not a safe way |
| 01:34:52 | wegsterOS4 | yes, but without a bgfix or beta to fix it, gotta do something. What else would you suggest? |
| 01:34:58 | wegsterOS4 | nod, course not, may or may not work |
| 01:35:05 | ssolie | I'd suggest not doing whatever it is |
| 01:35:24 | number6 | one things changed affects another thing...affects another thing...... |
| 01:35:27 | wegsterOS4 | think about that onea bit- with no way tofix something broken, ppl are going to try something. |
| 01:35:35 | ssolie | one guy reverted a1ide.device! oh man... |
| 01:35:44 | wegsterOS4 | doh, who/why? |
| 01:35:54 | ssolie | bug fixes.. lots of them |
| 01:36:08 | ssolie | I don't even want to think about using the old a1ide.device with the new kernel |
| 01:36:14 | ssolie | boggles the mind |
| 01:36:28 | wegsterOS4 | number6: normally I'd agree, it's not a good idea b/c no one knows the inter dependencies, but without a 'this will be fixed in near future and made avaialble, don't revert' people are going to try it. |
| 01:36:32 | ssolie | in any case, what you guys are doing is *not* safe |
| 01:36:54 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: so suggestions other than 'ok, it's broken'? ;-) |
| 01:37:05 | number6 | ssolie: Please leave me out of your sweeping "you guys" statment. |
| 01:37:08 | ssolie | report it, get advice from the os4 devs (directly or not) |
| 01:37:43 | ssolie | if a device stops working there is a good reason.. just need time to figure it out |
| 01:37:46 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: nod, that's sort of the reason for the big thread, one place to cehck into, but you'll note even in case of rx, olsen hasn't said if a fixed ver will be made abvailable and said to use 68k ver |
| 01:37:54 | wegsterOS4 | nod |
| 01:38:12 | | -!- * wegsterOS4 has no desire to revert a core device driver.. |
| 01:38:16 | ssolie | olsen is the dev.. exactly what I said to do :) |
| 01:38:35 | wegsterOS4 | why not post that 'in the big thread'? |
| 01:38:44 | ssolie | when you know it is safe, go ahead.. but some of those gusy (not number6) are going too far imho |
| 01:39:02 | wegsterOS4 | the a1ide.device driver I definitely agee! Others offhand? |
| 01:39:22 | ssolie | that one just made me shake my head.. haven't noticed any other data destroyer ideas yet tbh |
| 01:39:22 | number6 | ssolie: How would you feel about a dedicated thread for input from "devs" so people would know the info was "official"? |
| 01:39:41 | wegsterOS4 | lol good 9appropriate) nae- 'data destroyers' ;-) |
| 01:40:20 | number6 | btw- I can see some havoc if people replace amipdf and ghostscript with old versions. |
| 01:40:37 | ssolie | yep, that app has moved way beyond where it was as well |
| 01:40:47 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: btw, it wasn't really called out, but the slb IS new on ud4 iso, correct? |
| 01:40:49 | ssolie | not a data destroyer-type move but not that bright either :) |
| 01:41:01 | ssolie | yes, the slb is newer |
| 01:41:10 | wegsterOS4 | number6: amipdf is less likely to have critical system dependencies than a driver, amipdf may be 'improved' but is only an app. |
| 01:41:20 | ssolie | gives you more info. iirc and fixes something.. |
| 01:42:03 | ssolie | in any case, when you revert a component you get zero support |
| 01:42:26 | number6 | wegsterOS4: Actually, when someone "replaces" amipdf with an older version and things don't work....it may lead to them replacing "other" things that -might- be harmful. It is the trend, not the exact action. |
| 01:42:28 | ssolie | unless someone like olsen says it is ok |
| 01:42:48 | ssolie | number6: yes, it is the trend that worried me the most |
| 01:43:00 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: nod, problem is no feedback, nowhere to report 'official' bugs besides the forum, and a lot of devs don't frequent the forums...then there's the whole 'idiot titles' some do as well. |
| 01:43:06 | ssolie | number6: this didn't work, copy back the old version and see... not a thought to the consequences |
| 01:43:27 | number6 | ssolie: Exactly. |
| 01:43:35 | ssolie | make backups! :) |
| 01:43:59 | number6 | ssolie: I think toaks may have more partitions than I, not too many others? |
| 01:44:07 | ssolie | too bad the release notes are private, then you would know why this stuff is so dangerous ;) |
| 01:44:51 | ssolie | stoopid secrecy gets in the way.. sigh |
| 01:45:07 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: nod, real relnotes would be....good. |
| 01:45:28 | ssolie | in the mean time, you'll just have to make lots of backups and trust us from time to time I guess |
| 01:46:42 | number6 | ssolie: Well, if you have posted these very thoughts for everyone to read, I would agree. Have you? |
| 01:46:44 | wegsterOS4 | ssolie: global 'trust us' without a comment in forum doesn't work, you know that. |
| 01:46:59 | ssolie | lesson one: never revert a device driver unless told to :) |
| 01:47:23 | wegsterOS4 | grin |
| 01:54:24 | ssolie | ttfn boyz |
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| 04:37:43 | arc | uh oh he's back! |
| 04:39:18 | wegsterOS4 | arc ? |
| 04:39:43 | arc | wegster? |
| 04:39:54 | arc | hows the pain? |
| 04:39:59 | wegsterOS4 | <arc> uh oh he's back! |
| 04:39:59 | wegsterOS4 | [23:39:14] ? |
| 04:40:11 | wegsterOS4 | better, took more oxycodone. |
| 04:40:22 | arc | yes, just having some fun with you |
| 04:40:27 | arc | ur running slow |
| 04:40:31 | wegsterOS4 | bah ;-) |
| 04:40:39 | wegsterOS4 | yeah maybe am at that |
| 04:43:50 | arc | err, hates windows |
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| 07:38:39 | jahc | nicomen: are you there? I need help |
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| 13:16:21 | MrBot | [racs] Pimp my flowers! ;) |
| 13:16:21 | racs | hi there |
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| 13:22:32 | drHirudo | Where to find that libdl port for AmigaOS4? |
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| 13:54:46 | racs | amipippy ;) |
| 13:54:53 | Ami603 | hey ;) |
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| 14:42:15 | Ami603[AW] | cya |
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| 16:12:30 | migthymax | hi everone, does anyone now how to the default system font (non-propeortional)? The one set by the prefs/font programm? |
| 16:17:18 | racs | migthymax: hm? :) |
| 16:19:11 | migthymax | racs: in Sys:Prefs/Font the user can define the defaultf fonts for icons, the system, and the screen font. The system can only be a non-proportional font (aka every character has the same width). And this font i want to get hold on. |
| 16:23:05 | racs | migthymax: ah |
| 16:23:53 | racs | migthymax: well, sorry then, probably you could parse the prefs iff, but that smells like hack |
| 16:25:08 | migthymax | racs: i think remeber during old days, that it was possible somehow, i think it was documented in the Amiga Developer Reference Manuals |
| 16:29:08 | racs | migthymax: sorry, I am not aware of it |
| 16:30:11 | migthymax | thanks anyway |
| 16:30:22 | racs | np |
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| 16:31:11 | itix | 'ello |
| 16:35:14 | nicomen | migthymax: why do you want to know it? |
| 16:35:16 | nicomen | hi itix |
| 16:36:36 | migthymax | nicomen: I have a reaction listbrowser, which i want to have a fixed width font, just to look better :-) And before wondering why not use a hard coded one: i want it to have it perfect and adaptable :-) |
| 16:37:16 | migthymax | all: i have another question: is there a library for handling unicode string for Aos4? |
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| 16:37:52 | nicomen | iconv? |
| 16:38:49 | migthymax | nicomen: what do you mean with "iconv" |
| 16:39:28 | migthymax | nicomen: eh got it for unicode? |
| 16:40:05 | nicomen | convert it to iso.8859-1 with it |
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| 17:07:12 | number6 | kindergipA1: Hi |
| 17:08:59 | kindergipA1 | hi |
| 17:09:23 | kindergipA1 | scrolling in wookiechat works |
| 17:09:37 | kindergipA1 | lost a year or so of stuff and all backups though |
| 17:09:44 | number6 | Want me to help you crash wookie? |
| 17:09:59 | kindergipA1 | no....lost a partition on reinstall |
| 17:10:03 | kindergipA1 | clean install |
| 17:10:06 | number6 | Gak! |
| 17:10:26 | kindergipA1 | juist remembering what was on it.....that cannot be replaced |
| 17:11:06 | kindergipA1 | passwords are a good one..... |
| 17:11:13 | kindergipA1 | for software and stuff.... |
| 17:12:06 | number6 | I did the following: (1)mastered the ISO and copied the contents to a partition. (2)installed the same ISO onto yet another partition (3)compared files from both (4)Set the partition to boot today (5)copied over a few files and everything works so far (6)undoubtedly I will have a few config and prefs yet to transfer. |
| 17:13:10 | number6 | So far: Ran an MP3 through (1)datatypes (2)Tunenet (3)ANR (4)AmigaAmp (5)Songplayer...all fine |
| 17:13:22 | kindergipA1 | heh.....took backup of everything in nice neat order to 3rd partition DH2 |
| 17:13:31 | number6 | Also played vid with: (1)MPlayer (2)FroggerNG....both fine |
| 17:13:34 | kindergipA1 | then promptly lost DH2 |
| 17:14:06 | kindergipA1 | DH0 & DH1 already reformatted for configuration and install |
| 17:14:15 | kindergipA1 | :/ |
| 17:14:16 | number6 | kindergipA1: When I got this machine initially from softhut, I demanded two drives, which I keep basically cloned. |
| 17:14:31 | kindergipA1 | you are smart I am dumb |
| 17:14:55 | number6 | No. I have lost plenty through the years as well. Just not this time... |
| 17:15:48 | kindergipA1 | I just found my newsrog install on a CD backup from my A3KT days |
| 17:15:56 | kindergipA1 | it'll have my key |
| 17:17:17 | number6 | Hmm....one of my sets of partitions (on the two drives) is archive. I always keep a directory for "keys", so they exist there as well as in the program directory or "L:" or whatever. |
| 17:18:05 | kindergipA1 | heh, just found my pagestream archives for 3.1 |
| 17:18:59 | kindergipA1 | wanna find dopus4 full setup with all the keys programmed....this will make things much faster..... |
| 17:19:10 | kindergipA1 | does magellan work yet? |
| 17:19:27 | number6 | It is sometimes hard to do...but look at this as a chance for a "fresh" start. I knew writers who lost their whole novels, but eventually, you come to terms with the loss and write something even better. |
| 17:20:33 | number6 | I only have the old cover disk version Opus 5.11. I transferred it...but haven't tried to start it yet. As I said, I just activated this partition moments ago. |
| 17:21:47 | number6 | Main thing I wanted to do was transfer all my prefs and files to use internet. Everything good so far. All screens look the same. |
| 17:22:04 | kindergipA1 | heh....didn't work for me all that well so I went back to my original DOpus 4 masterpiece |
| 17:22:43 | kindergipA1 | internet from scratch on OS4 is child's play after doing the distro dance weekly for a couple of years with linux |
| 17:24:46 | number6 | Do you know if @swoop (and others) are still having trouble with screen. He said he was stuck in 640x480. Mine booted into that also. I fixed it in about 30 seconds. |
| 17:27:55 | kindergipA1 | mine does what I tell it to now....had the same problem but all apps functioned fine in their screenmodes....workbench was stuck in fake native |
| 17:28:28 | number6 | Curious. How did you fix yours? |
| 17:28:48 | kindergipA1 | d'uh....fresh install trashed my archive partition :) |
| 17:29:01 | number6 | ouch! |
| 17:29:24 | kindergipA1 | remember ? |
| 17:29:27 | kindergipA1 | 09:10:17] <kindergipA1> no....lost a partition on reinstall |
| 17:29:27 | kindergipA1 | [09:10:22] <kindergipA1> clean install |
| 17:29:27 | kindergipA1 | [09:10:25] <number6> Gak! |
| 17:29:27 | kindergipA1 | [09:10:45] <kindergipA1> juist remembering what was on it.....that cannot be replaced |
| 17:30:00 | | -!- * kindergipA1 touches sore place number6 keeps poking with his sharp stick |
| 17:30:10 | number6 | Oh. I thought you meant a "program" partition. Not a "boot" partition. yek! |
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| 17:30:50 | kindergipA1 | no, it was my whole archived partition.....all of my backups et al |
| 17:31:29 | kindergipA1 | which means it had all my apps, text archives and everything for 18 years of the Amiga...... |
| 17:31:46 | number6 | kindergipA1: Want to borrow a pack of razor blades? I've done this before too.... |
| 17:31:50 | kindergipA1 | only the last year of mail, news, and art and such is destroyed |
| 17:32:39 | number6 | kindergipA1: I lost my whole "life" too before. I know the feeling. Took me a day or so to re-evaluate. Eventually I "carried on". |
| 17:33:21 | kindergipA1 | I'm not desperate or anything ....mostly just sad at the thought of stuff I won't remember..... |
| 17:33:37 | kindergipA1 | like the address of the guy that owes me $300 for my tower |
| 17:34:19 | kindergipA1 | as for carrying on...well internet first then collecting various things to restore useability to a clean install |
| 17:34:45 | kindergipA1 | done yesterday after disaster and today cleaning crowded computer room to find all my backup cd roms |
| 17:35:28 | kindergipA1 | with particular interest in DOpus4 to restart speed of searches on CDroms for needed thingies |
| 17:35:40 | number6 | kindergipA1: I lost all my art (anims/lightwave files/etc) and a lot of knowledge type stuff, that will never get passed on.(unless my memory can recall it all) |
| 17:36:25 | kindergipA1 | yep...but this is only current year stuff....I can make lists.....like my dad's project for publishing....his mushroom field guide..... |
| 17:36:36 | kindergipA1 | trust me dad - computer is the way to go.... :) |
| 17:36:57 | number6 | Yep. |
| 17:37:01 | kindergipA1 | let me just download pagestream again after I get Deron to send me my password..... |
| 17:37:22 | kindergipA1 | and then find the excel files your text is typed in and scrape the text out of them..... |
| 17:37:53 | kindergipA1 | :) |
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| 17:38:33 | number6 | Sheesh! I remember old "8bit" days, when I had to use a "sector" scanner to recoup files. Had to write a lot of utilities myself back then, because very little existed in the marketplace. |
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| 17:39:23 | kindergipA1 | yup....nothing to be had here.....haven't trashed the partition yet because there may be faint hope that one of the devs has something for emergencies |
| 17:39:28 | zerohero | wegster*: awake? |
| 17:39:37 | kindergipA1 | shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:39:45 | kindergipA1 | he'll shit himself if he moves |
| 17:39:48 | zerohero | wegster*: AWAKE??? |
| 17:39:53 | kindergipA1 | we're just watchign and waiting..... |
| 17:39:55 | number6 | zerohero: Doubt it. I left a message long ago (unanswered) |
| 17:40:19 | kindergipA1 | you have to get real friendly and get him to give you a phone number..... |
| 17:40:26 | zerohero | number6: ok, wondering why he'linking to my home server instead of www.zerohero.se/mui/ in the update thread |
| 17:40:27 | kindergipA1 | :) |
| 17:40:34 | zerohero | he's linking |
| 17:40:55 | number6 | kindergipA1: errr...wegster calls me, so no problem. |
| 17:41:18 | number6 | zerohero: which thread? I'll take a look. |
| 17:41:39 | zerohero | number6: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17531&forum=14 |
| 17:41:49 | zerohero | number6: about ibrowse and newstring |
| 17:41:53 | number6 | zerohero: Thanks. looking................ |
| 17:42:47 | number6 | zerohero: Post # Please |
| 17:43:19 | zerohero | number6: first post, about ibrowse |
| 17:44:33 | number6 | zerohero: I see it. I gave him the MUI address. Someone else must have given him that, not me. |
| 17:45:19 | zerohero | number6: it's normally kept up2date, but sometimes i forget |
| 17:46:03 | number6 | zerohero: I think I know what he did. He went to the "download" page and supplied the "direct link" is all. |
| 17:46:43 | zerohero | number6: uhm? |
| 17:46:56 | zerohero | number6: on zerohero.se all links go to zerohero.se, afaik |
| 17:47:41 | number6 | zerohero: I just went to your download page and "hovered" over the link to that file. It matches. |
| 17:47:52 | zerohero | it doesn't here |
| 17:47:59 | number6 | What browser? |
| 17:48:25 | zerohero | ibrowse |
| 17:48:55 | zerohero | same with aweb here |
| 17:54:49 | zerohero | bye then :) |
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| 18:23:51 | SixK | lo |
| 18:27:53 | antique | hi |
| 18:28:28 | SixK | lo antique :) |
| 18:30:09 | antique | wazzup? |
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| 18:47:29 | kas1e | hi |
| 18:47:54 | antique | hi |
| 19:12:02 | racs | wegster: great... Cobra is angry on me because I cannot keep my big mouth shut and spilled out the word about his LW hack |
| 19:12:26 | racs | wegster: the guys on AW.net are flooding him with PMs |
| 19:12:43 | racs | wegster: could you please take his profile off the topic? |
| 19:27:52 | nicomen | LW? |
| 19:28:07 | number6 | nicomen: yep. |
| 19:29:24 | racs | http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=uploads |
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| 20:02:14 | wegster | racs - yes, will do so now, sorry :-( |
| 20:05:06 | wegster | racs: removed. |
| 20:14:14 | racs | wegster: thx |
| 20:15:21 | wegster | np |
| 20:15:31 | racs | http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/raytrace/lightwave_rtg_patch.lha |
| 20:15:36 | racs | btw |
| 20:16:06 | racs | nagging was successful ;) |
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| 20:21:49 | racs | gone\ |
| 20:21:52 | racs | bye all |
| 20:21:59 | wegster | heheh nice |
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| 20:35:59 | itix | re |
| 20:45:41 | SixK | lo itix |
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| 22:24:03 | SixK | good night |
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