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| 00:44:02 | wegster | any1 have any 'killer' interview Qs? Giving a prog/SA interview now. |
| 00:44:58 | number6 | wegster: interview with who? |
| 00:46:10 | wegster | uhh job applicant? |
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| 01:01:13 | nicomen | freakie freak ;) |
| 01:01:25 | freaks | hi ppl, nicomen :) |
| 01:01:47 | freaks | i was wondering, since i lost my amigados book, |
| 01:01:54 | nicomen | I didn't take it |
| 01:02:11 | freaks | how would like an expression that delete everything in ram: |
| 01:02:24 | freaks | without deleteing env and t and clipboard |
| 01:02:29 | freaks | lol |
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| 01:02:37 | freaks | i sold it unfortunatly |
| 01:03:05 | freaks | i remember i had this, on os3.9 in a tooldaemon menu |
| 01:03:09 | freaks | i remember i had this, on os3.9 in a tooldaemon menu |
| 01:03:26 | freaks | one click and it was cleaning all the stuffs in ram: |
| 01:03:40 | freaks | everything execpt env clipboard and t |
| 01:03:53 | freaks | can't remember what was it ;) |
| 01:04:14 | nicomen | freaks: find and lformat might work |
| 01:05:18 | nicomen | or experiment with: |
| 01:05:28 | freaks | it was a simple line with aos expression, such as delete ram: all force env| clibpboard|t |
| 01:05:31 | nicomen | delete ram:~(env|clipboards|t) all |
| 01:05:42 | freaks | yes that's more like it :) |
| 01:05:42 | nicomen | but don't blame me if it doesn't work |
| 01:06:06 | nicomen | amigados to me have more exceptions than rules |
| 01:06:13 | | -!- * ssolie blames nicomen for everything |
| 01:06:16 | freaks | no i would blame aos unable to handle long and weird filenames ;) |
| 01:06:22 | nicomen | so I never really know exactly how it performs |
| 01:06:40 | freaks | with spaces and () and / \ .... |
| 01:07:04 | nicomen | it should work, as long as you use the correct syntax |
| 01:07:17 | nicomen | but noone really seems to know exactly how everything works |
| 01:07:33 | nicomen | or the ones that have got such enlightenment managed to forget it two seconds later |
| 01:07:53 | nicomen | you have at least two escape chars: ' and * |
| 01:08:39 | freaks | aos need improvement on that front too :/ |
| 01:09:03 | nicomen | I think some clear documentation would be enough |
| 01:09:18 | nicomen | and of course make sure the implementations work as expected in every aspect |
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| 01:10:27 | freaks | up to date docs would be nice indeed ... |
| 01:11:33 | freaks | my isp is killing my connection by feeding me with too speed access ... |
| 01:11:35 | freaks | that's what i was told today |
| 01:12:40 | freaks | after i asked for explanation about being more offline than online with broadband access |
| 01:12:40 | freaks | damn |
| 01:12:40 | freaks | that hurt |
| 01:13:18 | freaks | nicomen, that command you gave was exactly what i was after, thanks man |
| 01:13:25 | freaks | +me |
| 01:13:26 | nicomen | np |
| 01:14:20 | freaks | the other day, |
| 01:14:35 | freaks | i was trying to compile mednafen on my linux box, |
| 01:14:52 | freaks | (it's a nice emulator.. ) |
| 01:14:59 | nicomen | ooh compilation! |
| 01:15:09 | freaks | but for some reason my swap partition wasn't up |
| 01:15:25 | freaks | /dev/hda3 wasn't used at all.. |
| 01:15:30 | nicomen | swapon |
| 01:15:39 | freaks | and my project failled to compile, |
| 01:15:44 | freaks | yes i know |
| 01:15:49 | nicomen | -a |
| 01:15:50 | freaks | but, the point is, |
| 01:16:01 | nicomen | leenooks needs swap |
| 01:16:15 | freaks | i seemed similar to os4 sdk gcc port |
| 01:16:20 | nicomen | you don't survive for long without |
| 01:16:24 | freaks | with the stack problem |
| 01:16:37 | nicomen | hm |
| 01:16:58 | freaks | on os4 you run out of memory you can't continue compilation |
| 01:17:10 | freaks | on linux you run out of memory, no probs, it uses swap |
| 01:17:16 | nicomen | yup, no swapping on amigaos yet |
| 01:17:26 | freaks | that what i discovered accidentaly |
| 01:17:40 | nicomen | sometimes it helps to run make several times, as memory isn't freed properly during a make run |
| 01:17:43 | ssolie | when you run out of swap you can't continue compilation either :-P |
| 01:17:54 | nicomen | but other times it might end up in broken object files, reboots or grims |
| 01:17:56 | freaks | that's what i thought, maybe os4 sdk gcc port need to swap somewhere |
| 01:18:00 | freaks | like a file? |
| 01:18:10 | nicomen | freaks: there's no swap on amigaos, yet |
| 01:18:15 | freaks | file-swap instead of partition-swap? |
| 01:18:21 | freaks | ok, sry ;) |
| 01:18:35 | nicomen | I doubt they have implemented their own swapping routines in gcc itself |
| 01:18:41 | nicomen | but maybe you are lucky |
| 01:18:42 | ssolie | nicomen: memory isn't freed properly? I don't see that here with the latest beta sdk |
| 01:19:12 | nicomen | ssolie: well, something makes a gcc line in Makefile work the next time you run it, if you run out of memory |
| 01:19:19 | nicomen | believe it happened on linux too |
| 01:19:38 | ssolie | nicomen: so you run out of RAM and re-run it and then it works? |
| 01:19:55 | nicomen | by retyping make (probbaly keeps around stuff after having executed stuff) |
| 01:19:58 | nicomen | yes |
| 01:20:11 | nicomen | or wap on linux |
| 01:20:13 | nicomen | swap |
| 01:20:14 | ssolie | nicomen: in that case, I don't know, I don't usually run out of RAM |
| 01:20:30 | nicomen | had to move VBA to another box to be able to compile it ;) |
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| 01:21:49 | ssolie | don't forget to reassign T: to disk as well |
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| 01:22:08 | freaks | damn that isp :( |
| 01:23:00 | freaks | beleive it or not i have more than 50% of tcp/ip packet loss :( |
| 01:24:13 | freaks | i asked for a date, they said we can't tell you when we will be able to solve this problem...after few minutes fighting they agreed it shouldn't persit after 2months ... poor me |
| 01:24:59 | | -!- * freaks roll another poke to forget all.. |
| 01:25:23 | freaks | doobie ^_^ |
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| 02:56:08 | wegster | blech, LONG interview :-( |
| 02:56:23 | jahc | whats this? |
| 02:57:04 | wegster | just finished interviewing some guy for like 2 hours for my company. |
| 03:33:00 | arc | poor wegster |
| 03:33:09 | arc | poor poor wegster |
| 03:33:23 | wegster | shaddup arc ;-) |
| 03:33:26 | arc | -p |
| 03:33:53 | arc | ur ears ringging wegster |
| 03:34:06 | wegster | arc rofl why, cursing me out again? :-) |
| 03:34:37 | arc | lol |
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| 10:34:00 | zerohero | morning |
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| 16:02:46 | | -!- * nicomen slaps zerohero |
| 16:06:58 | number6 | Such violence on #amigadev... |
| 16:07:43 | nicomen | yup |
| 16:07:48 | nicomen | there's a reason though ;D |
| 16:07:59 | nicomen | he just doesn't know |
| 16:12:28 | number6 | lol |
| 16:14:12 | number6 | Nicomen: hmm...yesterday was my assigned day to irritate zerohero. So...you have been assigned "Tuesdays"? |
| 16:14:31 | nicomen | nope, I did that yesterday too |
| 16:15:31 | number6 | Hope you getting "time and 1/2 pay" then... |
| 16:20:54 | zerohero | nicomen: oh, please, do tell |
| 16:21:54 | | -!- * zerohero puts his fork in nicomen's leg |
| 16:22:28 | | -!- * nicomen slaps zerohero again ;D |
| 16:22:56 | zerohero | must be my os4 not out yet - rant the other day |
| 16:24:37 | nicomen | could be |
| 16:25:59 | zerohero | can't be anything else, it's the only thing i've been doing that's even close to annoying |
| 16:26:06 | zerohero | besides just being me |
| 16:26:54 | nicomen | a-ha! |
| 16:27:53 | | -!- * number6 covers eyes |
| 16:28:21 | | -!- * zerohero slaps nicomen crzy |
| 16:28:23 | zerohero | +a |
| 16:29:04 | zerohero | you're probably going to slap me 15 times a day until the update is released |
| 16:29:17 | zerohero | so in 2015 you'll still be slapping like mad |
| 16:29:19 | number6 | zerohero: hmm..if "a" is a constant and not a variable, then it seems you will be continually slapped... |
| 16:29:32 | nicomen | hmm, time to make a slap script |
| 16:30:02 | number6 | nicomen: Could you please have it terminate with "unfreed signals", just to be consistent. |
| 16:30:11 | zerohero | hmm, time to make a /ignore nicomen |
| 16:32:00 | zerohero | <-- cooking dinner |
| 16:32:08 | zerohero | nicomen: you're not invited |
| 16:50:58 | zerohero | number6: regarding listtree from yesterday |
| 16:51:40 | zerohero | number6: listtree.mcp has a higher version number than the mui 3.9 one, and they're both 68k, at least up to upd3 |
| 16:51:50 | zerohero | listtree.mcc is ppc tho |
| 16:57:12 | number6 | Yes. I know. |
| 16:58:52 | number6 | I also had a separate list of .mcc and .mcp I made that illustrated a difference in not just listtree.mcp 68k. Most people (OS4 users) probably are not aware of the updates of some of these. Example:busy.mcc |
| 16:59:22 | zerohero | busy is still 68k as well |
| 16:59:37 | number6 | Yes. But most OS4 users are -using- an old version. |
| 16:59:53 | zerohero | sure, but newer version doesn't add anything great |
| 17:00:19 | number6 | zerohero: Besides the obvious graphics difference...what bugs were squashed? |
| 17:00:20 | zerohero | i think the knightrider theme is the only visible thing updated :) |
| 17:01:55 | zerohero | no bugs fixed afai can see |
| 17:02:05 | zerohero | a few things added, or renamed |
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| 17:03:53 | MrBot | [racs] Pimp my flowers! ;) |
| 17:03:54 | racs | hi there |
| 17:04:08 | zerohero | evening racs |
| 17:05:01 | racs | zerohero |
| 17:05:14 | number6 | zerohero: from the readme: "- bugfix in speed settings" |
| 17:05:54 | number6 | zerohero: Note: readme shows this change, while the guidefile makes no mention of it. |
| 17:05:57 | zerohero | number6: ah, missed that... not very serious tho, i think :) |
| 17:06:14 | zerohero | number6: sure it does, i'm reading the guide now, it's in there |
| 17:06:33 | zerohero | number6: 06-05-97, right after mui 3.8 release |
| 17:06:58 | number6 | zerohero: Docs/English.guide under history does not show this. |
| 17:07:10 | zerohero | yes, it does |
| 17:07:46 | number6 | zerohero: Not in my archive. I will download yours and double check.... |
| 17:07:52 | zerohero | number6: 10:th row from the bottom |
| 17:09:28 | number6 | zerohero: but the version is from 23.07.97 (last entry and same date as MY version). No mention there. |
| 17:10:00 | zerohero | number6: wierd |
| 17:11:40 | number6 | zerohero: Apparently the bug WAS fixed earlier, as you stated, but the readme file lists the bug as being fixed in the archive version the user has just downloaded. Not a problem, just confusing. |
| 17:30:41 | zerohero | number6: ah, but yes, the fix is in the new archive, not in the one in mui 3.8 |
| 17:30:51 | zerohero | it's just fixed at an earlier date |
| 17:30:58 | zerohero | not released earlier |
| 17:46:52 | number6 | yep. |
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| 18:07:51 | zerohero | nicomen: no update yet? |
| 18:08:25 | SixK | lo |
| 18:08:39 | zerohero | hey SixK |
| 18:09:29 | SixK | yop zerohero |
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| 18:38:53 | afxgroup | hi |
| 18:40:19 | SixK | lo afxgroup |
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| 19:02:46 | SixK | afxgroup: are you modifying something on Bourriquet sources ? I will made some small modifications |
| 19:04:10 | afxgroup | nope. |
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| 19:10:54 | zerohero | how rude |
| 19:11:03 | zerohero | to ping out in the middle of a conversation |
| 19:11:17 | afxgroup | :) |
| 19:12:42 | AC | he dident, he signed off |
| 19:13:17 | zerohero | ping timeout is signoff to you? |
| 19:13:56 | AC | it wasent a timeout, thats just a msg he uses.. it was a signed off |
| 19:14:39 | AC | if I understand it correctly |
| 19:15:20 | zerohero | it was definately a ping timeout, but we'll see when he comes back :) |
| 19:15:39 | AC | ya |
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| 19:19:36 | afxgroup | number6!!!! |
| 19:19:53 | afxgroup | run!!! |
| 19:19:55 | afxgroup | run!!!!! |
| 19:19:56 | number6 | afxgroup!!! |
| 19:20:02 | number6 | run faster!!! |
| 19:20:04 | afxgroup | go away from here!!! |
| 19:20:12 | number6 | get lost!!! |
| 19:20:18 | afxgroup | or u will killed by zerohero!! |
| 19:20:24 | number6 | is channel from hell! |
| 19:20:40 | afxgroup | aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhH!!!!! |
| 19:21:10 | | -!- * afxgroup is dead |
| 19:21:29 | number6 | dead tired? or dead dead? |
| 19:21:36 | | -!- * afxgroup is dead dead |
| 19:21:47 | number6 | I send you sympathy card then |
| 19:22:09 | number6 | "Get undead soon" |
| 19:22:12 | | -!- * afxgroup canno reply anymore because is dead |
| 19:22:38 | | -!- * number6 thinks the stress has gotten to afxgroup |
| 19:27:29 | SixK | afxgroup: ok commited |
| 19:27:48 | afxgroup | ok. i'll check it |
| 19:28:30 | number6 | !seen Deniil |
| 19:28:31 | GrimReaper | I don't know who Deniil is. |
| 19:28:32 | MrBot | Deniil (~danielwes@296d6466.246a3fd8.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) was last seen quitting from #amigadev 10 days, 16 hours, 54 minutes ago stating (Leaving: Off by a few microns..). |
| 19:29:16 | afxgroup | number6: i've just send an email to him |
| 19:29:23 | afxgroup | nicomen: here? |
| 19:30:13 | number6 | afxgroup: I hope he will come to irc. |
| 19:30:59 | afxgroup | i hope too.. |
| 19:31:53 | zerohero | number6: did you crash or did you exit by choice, ac says you left, i say you pinged out |
| 19:32:57 | number6 | Pinged out. Lost internet connection even though "modem" said otherwise. (known problem) |
| 19:33:06 | zerohero | hah |
| 19:33:30 | number6 | zerohero: What? You had money riding on that? |
| 19:33:36 | zerohero | i wish :) |
| 19:35:03 | number6 | zerohero: since I am using wookiechat, "crash" -would- have been the "odds on favorite"...but not this time. |
| 19:35:40 | zerohero | ok |
| 19:35:48 | zerohero | anyway, i'm off for now |
| 19:35:54 | zerohero | maybe bbl :) |
| 19:36:10 | number6 | cya |
| 19:36:32 | zerohero | <-- away then :) |
| 19:37:03 | number6 | Oh? Then why are you still in private channel? |
| 19:37:53 | AC | damn |
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| 19:51:23 | antique | how to get the x,y pos of a window? |
| 19:52:24 | afxgroup | GetWindowAttr |
| 19:53:20 | afxgroup | GetWindowAttr( win, WA_Left, &left, sizeof( left ) ); |
| 19:57:50 | AC | what!! why does it need to check the size? thats not normal taglist operation |
| 20:02:20 | afxgroup | nope? |
| 20:02:51 | afxgroup | yeah sorry. i've seen the box struct |
| 20:02:56 | AC | a normal tag operation is ( obj, id, value ) |
| 20:02:59 | afxgroup | WA_WindowBox |
| 20:03:05 | afxgroup | yep |
| 20:04:04 | antique | ???? |
| 20:04:21 | afxgroup | struct IBox box; |
| 20:04:31 | afxgroup | GetWindowAttr( win, WA_WindowBox, &box, sizeof( box ) ); |
| 20:15:50 | antique | get unknown identifier WA_WindowBox |
| 20:20:04 | AC | thats a OS4 (v50) feature |
| 20:20:46 | antique | ah! i'm on 3.9 :( |
| 20:21:59 | AC | do you have the window pointer? |
| 20:22:29 | antique | the what? i'm not so good explaining etc. :/ |
| 20:22:35 | antique | mean the rport? |
| 20:22:39 | AC | no |
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| 20:23:07 | AC | the pointer from OpenWindow() |
| 20:23:15 | antique | yes |
| 20:24:03 | AC | the you can do a win->LeftEdge and win->TopEdge |
| 20:24:38 | AC | printf( "%d x %d\n", win->LeftEdg, win->TopEdge ); |
| 20:24:47 | AC | LeftEdge even |
| 20:25:02 | antique | ok! will try that |
| 20:25:12 | AC | and make sure you have includede intuition/intuition.h |
| 20:26:27 | antique | it's included,included all crap i could find. hehe |
| 20:26:35 | AC | okey ;) |
| 20:27:36 | antique | ain't there a web site that you can find all the c commands for the amiga? |
| 20:28:11 | AC | dont think so |
| 20:28:28 | antique | hmm. ok! |
| 20:28:39 | AC | all the function is in AutoDocs and stuctures in the include files |
| 20:28:46 | antique | need a struct or union to get a member???? |
| 20:29:09 | AC | yes |
| 20:29:17 | AC | struct Window win; |
| 20:29:30 | AC | and win = OpenWindowTagslist( ... ) |
| 20:30:05 | AC | ahh |
| 20:30:10 | AC | struct Window *win; |
| 20:34:09 | antique | well,just stupid me,forgot win[1]. hehe |
| 20:34:28 | AC | leve and learn |
| 20:35:03 | antique | i had all set up just forgot it,hehe |
| 20:35:14 | AC | hehe |
| 20:36:30 | number6 | antique: you want website for c: commands for amiga? |
| 20:36:40 | antique | yes |
| 20:39:23 | number6 | Like this? or you referring to something else: http://web.archive.org/web/20040603084537/www.nethkin.com/bmori/amiga/dos2.html |
| 20:41:01 | antique | not quite what i was looking for,more like C programming. |
| 20:41:31 | racs | gone |
| 20:41:33 | racs | bye |
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| 20:42:37 | number6 | antique: That's what I was unsure of. No help sorry. |
| 20:43:57 | antique | ok! thanx anyway. :) |
| 21:14:20 | antique | ac: i did , posx = win[1]->LeftEdge; |
| 21:14:46 | antique | and it worked but how do i update my gadget that holds the posx value? |
| 21:15:28 | AC | what do you use as gadgets? gadtools/mui/reaction ? |
| 21:17:31 | antique | gadtools |
| 21:18:06 | AC | okey, then I have to look at some old source to give a usefull anser |
| 21:18:58 | antique | ok! :) |
| 21:19:17 | AC | ahh I lost that partition where it was on |
| 21:19:23 | antique | :( |
| 21:20:12 | AC | have you tryed with difrent refresh modes from intuition? |
| 21:20:22 | antique | don't you use gadtools? |
| 21:20:28 | AC | no |
| 21:20:48 | antique | tried the gt_refreshwindow. |
| 21:20:51 | AC | MUI if I can as its mutch easyer to make gui's |
| 21:22:04 | AC | try RefreshGList() |
| 21:22:34 | AC | RefreshGList( gad, win, NULL, 0 ); it should refresh one gadget |
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| 21:29:04 | antique | that made a recoverable guru,that lead to a crash! :( |
| 21:29:09 | antique | RefreshGList(13,win[0],NULL,0); |
| 21:29:35 | AC | 13 is wrong has to be the pointe to the gadget |
| 21:31:30 | antique | ok! thought you could just throw in the gad number,but why make things easy? hehe |
| 21:31:59 | AC | yep nothing with gadtools is easy |
| 21:32:41 | antique | what means by the point to the gadget? |
| 21:33:11 | AC | ohh |
| 21:33:57 | AC | the pointer you get back from CreateGadgetA() |
| 21:36:25 | AC | you really should switch to mui/feelin as its mutch easyer to code for |
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| 22:12:55 | zerohero | nicomen: you killed aminet? |
| 22:17:07 | number6 | zerohero: I thought it was you. |
| 22:17:30 | zerohero | number6: i'm blaming nicomen, he's admin there after all |
| 22:18:02 | number6 | zerohero: True. ok revised then "Nicomen, you killed aminet?" |
| 22:18:15 | zerohero | heh |
| 22:18:43 | zerohero | nicomen: and while you're at it, fix upd4 now |
| 22:26:01 | afxgroup | && !defined(__AMIGAOS4__) |
| 22:26:03 | afxgroup | :) |
| 22:26:38 | zerohero | __amigaos4__ here |
| 22:26:43 | zerohero | caps is bad ;) |
| 22:30:47 | afxgroup | caps is coool! |
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| 22:50:07 | number6 | heehee. he shut it down so I would not find any more bugs. |
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| 22:58:11 | zerohero | one by one they're pinging out |
| 22:58:23 | zerohero | last man standing gets a free walk in the mall |
| 23:03:03 | zerohero | wonder if i should "help" some of them to quit |
| 23:03:24 | zerohero | or if i should just eat something, i'm getting hungry |
| 23:03:30 | afxgroup | shhhhh |
| 23:03:58 | zerohero | lets start by "helping" afxgroup out of the channel |
| 23:04:08 | zerohero | /kick afxgroup oops!!!!!!111 |
| 23:04:21 | zerohero | ;) |
| 23:04:27 | number6 | "be vewy vewy qwiet", said Elmer Fudd. |
| 23:04:34 | | -!- * zerohero gets some food instead |
| 23:51:56 | afxgroup | shhhhh |
| 23:52:55 | nicomen | is zerohero gone? |
| 23:52:59 | nicomen | oh damn |
| 23:53:10 | nicomen | better turn on aminet again |
| 23:53:23 | number6 | heehee |
| 23:53:55 | afxgroup | :D |
| 23:54:15 | number6 | SYS:Prefs/Aminet [On/Off] |
| 23:55:03 | nicomen | ftp://mirror.aminet.net still up though |
| 23:55:20 | | -!- * zerohero wonders what he did to be blamed for everything |
| 23:55:25 | nicomen | ftp://mirror.aminet.net/INDEX for a file to search in |
| 23:55:47 | nicomen | zerohero: not baming or anything, just slapping you a bit these last days |
| 23:55:50 | number6 | nicomen: Thanks. |
| 23:56:04 | nicomen | ...not blaming you for anything... |
| 23:56:18 | zerohero | hmm |
| 23:56:34 | zerohero | so why the undeserved treatment? |
| 23:56:35 | number6 | zerohero: You're just getting in deeper....and deeper... |
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| 23:56:56 | zerohero | this is turning out to be the twillight zone really |
| 23:57:15 | number6 | What zone! |
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