| 00:00:52 | zerohero | i guess not |
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| 00:53:02 | antique | someone awake? |
| 00:53:08 | zerohero | sure |
| 00:53:44 | antique | could you check something for me? |
| 00:54:04 | zerohero | what? |
| 00:54:31 | antique | www.blittersoft.com |
| 00:55:24 | zerohero | what about it? |
| 00:56:24 | antique | could you check if there are any upgrades for ifusion there? |
| 00:57:21 | zerohero | i doubt it, i'm getting a swedish page about games |
| 00:57:41 | antique | hmmm. |
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| 00:59:05 | antique | that stinks. hehe! |
| 01:00:30 | zerohero | why didn't you check it? |
| 01:04:15 | antique | got an message saying it required ie 4 or higher.. |
| 01:04:48 | zerohero | hehe |
| 01:15:11 | antique | i got it working. right colours using icon.library. :) |
| 01:29:54 | antique | zerohero: do you know to the window tag for borderless window? |
| 01:30:44 | zerohero | antique: WA_Borderless |
| 01:32:45 | antique | nice. :) |
| 01:33:45 | zerohero | :) |
| 01:34:41 | antique | if you do: a=a/2; that works in c too? |
| 01:34:47 | antique | or a=b/2 |
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| 01:35:23 | zerohero | a = a / 2; works in c as well |
| 01:35:45 | antique | good. |
| 01:35:59 | zerohero | but |
| 01:36:05 | antique | what? |
| 01:36:19 | zerohero | a = 3 / 2; will produce a = 1 |
| 01:36:31 | antique | what the f? |
| 01:36:55 | antique | i need to divide.. |
| 01:37:00 | zerohero | you have to include math.h and link with -lm |
| 01:37:23 | zerohero | a = (float) 3.0 / 2; will work |
| 01:37:33 | zerohero | float a; as well |
| 01:38:08 | antique | float(ing) :) |
| 01:41:23 | antique | is upd4 out? |
| 01:41:45 | zerohero | nope, seemes even further delayed now, but i don't know for sure |
| 01:41:49 | wegsterOS4 | antique nope |
| 01:42:12 | antique | no crisis for me,no a1 yet. :((((((( |
| 01:43:52 | SixK | good night |
| 01:44:06 | antique | night |
| 01:44:20 | zerohero | night |
| 01:47:13 | antique | hmmm |
| 01:47:26 | antique | i set float hoyde; |
| 01:47:33 | antique | right? |
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| 01:50:08 | antique | that was a crash! |
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| 02:29:26 | | -!- * number6 will hide in amigadev a while... |
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| 02:33:16 | antique | zerohero: is there a way to make a window transparent? or do people "fake" it? |
| 02:33:54 | zerohero | afaik they fake it |
| 02:34:11 | zerohero | snap what's behind it, and paste it inside your window |
| 02:34:20 | antique | ok! |
| 02:34:42 | antique | that's what i though too. hehe |
| 02:35:10 | antique | should have a WA_Transparent.. :) |
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| 06:22:21 | wegsterOS4 | zerohero: ya around? |
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| 08:25:51 | MrBot | [hnl_dk] hnl_dk |
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| 11:31:36 | SixK | lo |
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| 13:18:18 | nicomen | hi |
| 13:19:05 | antique | hi |
| 13:20:54 | antique | need help? hehe |
| 13:22:50 | nicomen | help? |
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| 14:02:43 | MrBot | [racs] Pimp my flowers! ;) |
| 14:02:43 | racs | hi there |
| 14:02:51 | nicomen | yo |
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| 14:20:30 | racs | nicomen: on UB the member pages are not sorted alphabetically |
| 14:23:40 | nicomen | better? |
| 14:23:58 | racs | nicomen: a lot :) |
| 14:52:52 | antique | nico: you still up? |
| 14:53:20 | nicomen | yup |
| 14:54:35 | antique | i need to find out how to get cords from the mouse in a window? |
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| 15:09:24 | nicomen | antique: noidea, havee to look it up |
| 15:09:58 | antique | ok! browsing a bit on the autodocs,but can't find anything. :( |
| 15:11:40 | nicomen | http://utilitybase.com/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=14&topic=216\' |
| 15:11:44 | nicomen | http://utilitybase.com/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=14&topic=216 |
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| 17:16:39 | kaso | hi all |
| 17:16:47 | | -!- kaso is now known as kas1e |
| 17:18:29 | wegster | kas1e, hrm, whats up woth the nick changes now anyways? You log on as something without a number, then identify for a unregged nick, then change to registered nick? |
| 17:24:55 | kas1e | i have other nickname for some others channel/server/pplz |
| 17:25:23 | kas1e | and by default was set last used nick |
| 17:25:52 | kas1e | btw, wegster - have some time / |
| 17:25:53 | kas1e | ? |
| 17:26:10 | wegsterOS4 | heh depends, whatcha need? |
| 17:26:44 | kas1e | little test , i wrote some w3d stuff with .iff sounds, and want to test will it works on os4 or no |
| 17:27:36 | Belxjander | grrr |
| 17:27:59 | | -!- * Belxjander lists kas1e in his "Envy this person AOS4" listing :P |
| 17:27:59 | wegsterOS4 | hrm, in process of doing a backup and rebuild of my system, might not be best idea to have me test it...number6 likely can iif it's reasonably small though? (he's on dialup) |
| 17:29:20 | kas1e | belxjander -i do not have os4 ;0 |
| 17:29:29 | kas1e | only os3.9 |
| 17:29:50 | wegster | number6, wakey wakye |
| 17:30:01 | kas1e | wegster - size of archive ~ 200kb |
| 17:30:26 | wegster | kas1e, nod, trying to see if number6 is alive, I've got some things borked right now so probably not best idea.. |
| 17:30:26 | number6 | kas1e: Can you send to me dcc? |
| 17:30:41 | wegster | number6, you ARE using wookie, you sure is working? |
| 17:30:53 | kas1e | number6 - dcc think no, becouse some problems with my isp, i can put it on web or send it on your mail |
| 17:30:54 | number6 | I receive dcc with wookie. |
| 17:31:10 | wegster | number6, ok, hrm, unsure if I do 'today' or not actually ;-) |
| 17:31:11 | number6 | kas1e: web would be fine. |
| 17:31:26 | kas1e | number6 -do you have also working w3d card ? |
| 17:31:43 | wegsterOS4 | kas1e: he's got a micro so certainly should ;-) |
| 17:31:55 | number6 | kas1e: yes. and you send webaddress here or in private tab...your choice. |
| 17:32:09 | kas1e | number6 - ok.,thanks, 5 seconds |
| 17:34:12 | wegster | 5....4....3...2..... |
| 17:34:20 | Orgin | 1 |
| 17:34:33 | | -!- * number6 divides by zero |
| 17:37:06 | Belxjander | hrmmm |
| 17:37:20 | Belxjander | I'll definitely need to impliment that sort of thing entirely on my own then |
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| 17:47:25 | racs | number6 just crashed, because divided by zero ;) |
| 17:48:00 | kas1e | :) |
| 17:48:20 | kas1e | hope no, hi said 'loggin off to tests, will back asap' |
| 17:52:21 | kas1e | where is number6 .. hope after my stuff his m1 not fried down |
| 17:53:38 | wegster | grin, he'll be back |
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| 17:57:44 | racs | number6: excheption handled? ;) |
| 17:57:49 | racs | exception :P |
| 17:59:40 | number6 | Dependency on jpeg.library? |
| 18:04:42 | wegster | *crickets* |
| 18:15:23 | Belxjander | well it would be enjoyable in getting something compiled and working for AOS4... |
| 18:17:17 | racs | Belxjander: hum? |
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| 18:22:54 | AC | Belxjander: like HelloWorld? |
| 18:23:19 | wegsterOS4 | rofl |
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| 18:23:35 | racs | that is really complicated ;) |
| 18:24:36 | AC | yep |
| 18:27:23 | Belxjander | AC: Im thinking more along the lines of using SDL and a few other things... |
| 18:27:46 | Belxjander | but I would much prefer getting AOS to build for AOS |
| 18:30:38 | AC | okey |
| 18:31:26 | kas1e | anyone here to know any gfxer who stiil draw some graphics for amiga ? |
| 18:33:38 | number6 | kas1e: Main channel perhaps? |
| 18:33:47 | kas1e | ok |
| 18:34:46 | kas1e | number6 - can do screenshot ? |
| 18:35:13 | kas1e | nubmer6 - and also waht about speed, it is so fast, or so slow, or as it can be ?:) |
| 18:35:55 | number6 | I check about "screenshot". Speed? Want it timed with stopwatch? |
| 18:36:40 | number6 | kas1e: Artist "klesterjr" just logged in main channel. |
| 18:36:53 | kas1e | here is i just use 'delay' function |
| 18:37:06 | kas1e | becouse do not know what is happened if i ill use timer from os3.x etc |
| 18:37:19 | kas1e | timer.device i mean |
| 18:37:28 | number6 | You want to know time with stopwatch...or whether audio ends with video? |
| 18:38:06 | kas1e | on my configuration, exit was as girl said 'country' |
| 18:38:14 | kas1e | for you too ? |
| 18:38:56 | kas1e | word 'country' and somethink like 'wooah' and exit |
| 18:39:21 | number6 | Yep. Total run time=about 14 seconds...and ends on word "country". |
| 18:39:29 | kas1e | yes, is good |
| 18:39:33 | kas1e | thanks for tests |
| 18:39:37 | kas1e | (bit thanks ;) ) |
| 18:39:40 | kas1e | big |
| 18:39:46 | number6 | "ends on country". lol |
| 18:39:50 | kas1e | :) |
| 18:39:58 | number6 | Any time. |
| 18:40:35 | kas1e | number6 - btw, did you know maybe, on os4 timer.device is present ? |
| 18:40:49 | racs | kas1e: of course |
| 18:41:04 | kas1e | racs- on mos/pegasos too ? |
| 18:41:13 | racs | kas1e: I don't know a bit of MOS |
| 18:41:24 | racs | kas1e: I guess yes |
| 18:41:45 | kas1e | ok.. why i ask about it , becouse i want to do somethink like 'scenes' by the some time , and also synchro with sound, etc |
| 18:41:50 | number6 | It is not in devs:....It is in "Kickstart" as a .kmod file loaded by uboot. |
| 18:42:36 | number6 | "timer.device.kmod" |
| 18:43:03 | racs | it never was in devs: |
| 18:43:09 | number6 | Ah |
| 18:43:20 | racs | part of the kickstart ROM originally |
| 18:43:26 | racs | the system needs it while booting |
| 18:43:49 | number6 | racs: still in kickstart ROM, so to speak. |
| 18:44:01 | racs | number6: there is no ROM any longer :) |
| 18:44:10 | number6 | A1000? |
| 18:44:12 | racs | number6: but yes, it is part of kickstart :) |
| 18:44:21 | number6 | loaded from disk |
| 18:44:40 | racs | number6: better, you can have your own kickstart collection of modules :) |
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| 18:44:46 | kas1e | btw, anyone can said what do 'Delay' function exactly ? |
| 18:45:02 | kas1e | i mean how it works ? by use somethink like time.device or what |
| 18:45:04 | racs | kas1e: which Delay? |
| 18:45:31 | kas1e | amigaos api i mean, just 'delay, like ....{blablabl} Delay(100); {blabla}; |
| 18:45:34 | racs | the one from DOS? |
| 18:45:44 | kas1e | i mean amigaos api |
| 18:45:57 | kas1e | from dos.library i think (maybe) |
| 18:46:02 | racs | yes, it is |
| 18:46:10 | racs | I am pretty sure it uses timer.device |
| 18:46:41 | kas1e | so, if i will use just Delay on some coniguration , can i be sure just it will works in equal time ? |
| 18:47:01 | kas1e | i mean for 060 - delay(100) - will 100 ms, and for a1 on 800mhz cpu it will 100ms too ? |
| 18:47:21 | racs | yes ;) |
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| 18:47:33 | racs | it is not a loop of NOPs ;) |
| 18:47:41 | kas1e | racs- understand :) is good |
| 18:48:01 | kas1e | racs - so, for easy stuff i can just use delal, with no timer.device directly,etc |
| 18:48:08 | kas1e | delal=dealy |
| 18:48:10 | kas1e | delay |
| 18:48:31 | racs | kas1e: yep, but the problem is it is not as precise, you cannot do timing with it for a few msecs |
| 18:49:00 | racs | kas1e: that is why timer.device is there |
| 18:50:22 | kas1e | racs - can explain about it more (on examples) |
| 18:50:27 | | -!- * number6 remembers old days making own countdown timers, etc. and reading them in vertical blank period. |
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| 18:52:23 | kas1e | i mean delay() can do very small delay |
| 18:52:43 | kas1e | of course not _very_ small, but for visual effects it must be enought i think ? |
| 18:57:13 | antique | just do Delay(1); |
| 18:57:42 | kas1e | antique - very long ? |
| 18:57:54 | AC | no very short |
| 18:58:01 | antique | thats a short delay. |
| 18:58:07 | antique | 300 is long delay |
| 18:58:30 | kas1e | i mean where is a + with using timer.device over Delay fuction |
| 18:58:39 | kas1e | if delay can do very short, and very long also timing |
| 19:02:01 | number6 | kas1e: Please remember that @klesterjr, an artist, is in main channel here, if you want to ask for graphic help. |
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| 19:04:40 | racs | kas1e: what do I need to explain about this? |
| 19:05:03 | racs | kas1e: Delay is supposed to wait for 1/50 sec for each unit |
| 19:05:30 | racs | which means 20 mSecs |
| 19:05:51 | racs | not to mention that it is not accurate enough |
| 19:05:54 | AC | short delays are not very precises |
| 19:06:14 | racs | which means Delay(1) could wait for either 15 mSecs or 25 mSecs |
| 19:06:24 | racs | the precision is not defined |
| 19:06:37 | racs | for hardware communication this is far too imprecise |
| 19:06:44 | wegsterOS4 | racs - no usleep() ? |
| 19:06:58 | racs | wegsterOS4: hm? |
| 19:07:16 | wegsterOS4 | Delay() is on what grannularity? no usleep() equip for N ms? |
| 19:07:21 | nicomen | CONFORMING TO BSD 4.3. The SUSv2 version returns int, and this is also the prototype used by glibc 2.2.2. Only the EINVAL error return is documented by SUSv2. |
| 19:07:27 | nicomen | (usleep) |
| 19:07:49 | racs | let's check the autodocs |
| 19:08:03 | wegsterOS4 | grin, nico yer such a dork but thanks ;-) |
| 19:08:32 | nicomen | which means, it's not posix nor ansi c, hence it probbaly isn't in neither posix lib (vbcc), newlib nor clib2 |
| 19:09:01 | wegsterOS4 | nicomen: nod, but it's generally still avail everywhere ;-) |
| 19:09:19 | racs | there is not a word about precision of this function in the adocs, so it can be anything ;) |
| 19:09:36 | wegster | /* BSD version */ |
| 19:09:36 | wegster | #include <unistd.h> |
| 19:09:36 | wegster | void usleep(unsigned long usec); |
| 19:09:36 | wegster | /* SUSv2 version */ |
| 19:09:36 | wegster | #define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 |
| 19:09:37 | wegster | #include <unistd.h> |
| 19:09:39 | wegster | int usleep(useconds_t usec); |
| 19:09:45 | wegster | racs Delay() ? |
| 19:10:36 | racs | wegster: I am speaking about DOS/Delay |
| 19:12:06 | wegster | nod, just curious what the unit is for it, ie lowest reasonable accuracy..? No biggie if unknown, will go look at docs. |
| 19:12:26 | | -!- * number6 notes that 1/50 sounds like pal |
| 19:12:48 | racs | wegster: well, it is in the timer.device adocs |
| 19:13:18 | wegster | k |
| 19:13:47 | wegsterOS4 | nicomen: whats the story with disallowing numbers in nicks now? |
| 19:14:04 | nicomen | where? |
| 19:14:13 | number6 | eh? |
| 19:14:30 | wegsterOS4 | on login now to iaw irc, says something about no numbers in nicks |
| 19:14:32 | racs | wegster: timer.device/MicroDelay() - usecs |
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| 19:14:52 | wegsterOS4 | racs t |
| 19:15:00 | wegsterOS4 | err thx even! |
| 19:15:02 | nicomen | wegsterOS4: it only wanrs right? |
| 19:15:11 | number6 | wegsterOS4: Not in reality. Look at my nick. |
| 19:15:17 | nicomen | (it used to remove people from the network) |
| 19:15:22 | wegsterOS4 | nicomen: yeah but also seems my os4 nick is now no longer regged? |
| 19:15:33 | wegsterOS4 | number6: no shit, and mine, but..? |
| 19:15:36 | racs | wegsterOS4: np |
| 19:15:59 | number6 | wegsterOS4: I used nickserv in script to identify. np |
| 19:16:02 | wegsterOS4 | nicomen: "[01:23:10] <NickServ> Your nick isn't registered. |
| 19:16:02 | wegsterOS4 | [11:43:03] <NickServ> Your nick isn't registered. |
| 19:16:02 | wegsterOS4 | " |
| 19:16:07 | wegsterOS4 | it certainly is/was. |
| 19:16:14 | nicomen | wegsterOS4: try adding it to your group |
| 19:16:34 | nicomen | /msg nickserv group wegster <password> |
| 19:17:03 | wegsterOS4 | nod, that really just adds to same email as if doing a new reg, no? |
| 19:17:30 | wegsterOS4 | looks like somehow in recent serve issues lost reg..so assumed it was b/c of the no number msg, but guess now. |
| 19:17:49 | nicomen | not |
| 19:17:59 | wegsterOS4 | yes, not :-) |
| 19:18:06 | nicomen | you just add a nick to your group |
| 19:18:33 | wegsterOS4 | and a group does what for me compared to a seperate reg? |
| 19:18:50 | nicomen | less trouble |
| 19:19:10 | wegsterOS4 | heheh how so? |
| 19:19:37 | nicomen | less accounts |
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| 19:20:19 | wegsterOS4 | nod, ok fair enough, will do that for rest of nicks |
| 19:32:15 | racs | gone |
| 19:32:16 | racs | bye |
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| 20:20:39 | zerohero | wegsterOS4: asking me 7:22 am on a sunday if i'm around? what do you think? ;) |
| 20:21:02 | | -!- * wegster smacks zerohero |
| 20:21:06 | wegster | ;-) |
| 20:21:10 | zerohero | hehe |
| 20:21:17 | wegster | wanted to know how up to date your mui pages are |
| 20:21:27 | zerohero | wegster: very up to date |
| 20:21:40 | zerohero | afaik |
| 20:21:52 | wegster | for os4 as well, or just 68k/mos? |
| 20:22:13 | zerohero | afaik 68k/os4/some mos |
| 20:22:46 | wegster | k |
| 20:23:11 | wegster | think was looking ofr betterstring |
| 20:23:25 | zerohero | i should probably update textinput.mcc to 25.5 myself, it's 25.3 because it the latest released archive |
| 20:23:29 | wegster | and trying to find out which was oneof the problem mui classes |
| 20:23:41 | zerohero | betterstring is the latest, same as on sf.net |
| 20:23:43 | wegster | nod, at least one on your page shows no native os4 but it's been ported afaik |
| 20:23:54 | zerohero | hum? |
| 20:25:02 | zerohero | might be the hotkeystring included with betterstring |
| 20:25:13 | zerohero | afaik the archive i have is itix's version |
| 20:25:34 | zerohero | or maybe not... |
| 20:25:51 | zerohero | ah, yes it is |
| 20:26:25 | wegster | one of them wasn't listed as os4 native, but is availal ported on sf.net I believe. |
| 20:26:34 | number6 | zerohero: version numbers don't seem to match. "16.12.04 · MCC_NList 0.96". OS4depot shows "http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=library/mui/mcc_nlist.lha |
| 20:26:56 | number6 | NList 0.97 |
| 20:29:38 | zerohero | wegster: hotkeystring, but the os4 version is included with betterstring, the other version is a reimplementation, os3 and mos, discontinued i think |
| 20:29:48 | zerohero | number6: i'll check that |
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| 21:44:59 | number6 | zerohero: Was that your response? |
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| 21:54:33 | number6 | wb |
| 21:54:42 | zerohero | danke schön |
| 21:56:31 | zerohero | i would very much like to know what the delay in upd4 is |
| 21:58:21 | number6 | zerohero: And I would like to know what you may have discovered re:the archives |
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| 21:58:38 | zerohero | number6: ah, not checked anything yet |
| 21:58:47 | number6 | np |
| 21:58:49 | zerohero | i should have the latest archives |
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| 22:00:59 | zerohero | number6: where does it say 0.96 btw? |
| 22:01:16 | number6 | zerohero: I see what happened. You have an archive for BOTH 0.96 AND 0.97. OK? |
| 22:01:49 | zerohero | number6: i only have one nlist archive? |
| 22:02:07 | zerohero | ah |
| 22:02:14 | zerohero | says 0.96 on the list page |
| 22:02:24 | zerohero | everywhere else it says 0.97 |
| 22:02:38 | number6 | Yes. I was referring to your list at http://www.zerohero.se/mui/ |
| 22:02:53 | number6 | Not your download page. My mistake. |
| 22:03:01 | zerohero | number6: sure, found it |
| 22:04:12 | number6 | We were comparing version last night OS4depot, aminet, your site, etc. It was late and I overlooked the "download" page. I just did a search on front page. |
| 22:04:39 | number6 | ......actually I think it was 2-3 in the morning...... |
| 22:04:41 | ssolie | zerohero: so why do you need to know why upd4 isn't out yet? just curious? |
| 22:05:44 | zerohero | ssolie: yes, that's the biggest part. also would like to know what can happen if you by the 28:th of dec predicts early jan, and it's not out by early feb, but curiosity would be the biggest part, i'd like to know |
| 22:08:11 | zerohero | number6: ok, should be fixed now. also removed itix' discontinued hotkeystring.mcc |
| 22:09:03 | nicomen | zerohero: they are probably holding it back just to annoy you |
| 22:09:21 | zerohero | nicomen: i'm sure they are not, but i'm still curious |
| 22:10:28 | nicomen | well, did they ever hit with previous guesstimations? |
| 22:10:38 | ssolie | zerohero: the way it works is an iso image is created, released to the beta testers, we d/l and install it on our various machines, we file bug reports for any problems found, repeat, that's it |
| 22:10:59 | zerohero | ssolie: i know that |
| 22:11:09 | number6 | zerohero: I see your "tearoff.mcp" is version 13.2. I have "tearoff.mcp" version 14.2. |
| 22:11:56 | zerohero | number6: it wasn't released as an archive, same as textinput 29.5, it was included with voyager only, i think |
| 22:12:18 | number6 | zerohero: OK. I was about to say that all my voyager (tearoffs) are newer. |
| 22:12:39 | zerohero | number6: i'm thinking of repacking those myself |
| 22:13:01 | ssolie | zerohero: well then you already know everything there is to know |
| 22:13:40 | number6 | zerohero: OK. Just checked compactwindow from your/voyager. They match versions. |
| 22:14:01 | number6 | zerohero: So it is just the "tearoff" stuff. |
| 22:14:29 | zerohero | ssolie: no, i don't know anything. i know how you test stuff, and i was also told it should be released early jan. then rogue said in a forum post it's been delayed. so in reallity i don't know anything. |
| 22:14:45 | zerohero | ssolie: but no need to get all defensive about it, i'm just curious |
| 22:15:03 | zerohero | number6: compactwindow was released as an archive, it should be on aminet as well |
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