Utilitybase chatlog - 2006-02-03

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01:05:57 nicomen funny wegster ;)
01:06:22 wegster nicomen, bah, couldn't help it :-(
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01:12:49 nicomen arc== arcwave?
01:13:06   -!- * arc waves at nicomen
01:13:10 nicomen hehe, hi
01:13:22 nicomen how about that AROS?
01:13:47 arc Os4 rulez
01:13:58 nicomen well
01:14:06 arc deep subject
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01:14:44 nicomen for an AmigaOS it's not that bad
01:15:10 nicomen hi Ghosty
01:15:13 Ghosty hello
01:15:37 nicomen hmm wonder how I can tell (state & BITMASK) work in an if in java
01:15:44 Ghosty anyone know anything about appicons (os3.9)?
01:15:47 nicomen tells me int can't be used as comparator ;(
01:16:16 nicomen != 0 everywhere is so ugly
01:16:23 nicomen Ghosty: not off the top of my head
01:16:27 nicomen anything in particular
01:16:45 Ghosty i'm trying to use the renderhook to change the label text underneath one
01:17:35 wegster nico that sounds wrong.
01:18:05 wegster state & MASK shouldl work..
01:18:40 Ghosty do you have 2 incompatible sizes of mask and state?
01:19:04 Ghosty eg. a 2-byte state and a 4-byte mask, or vice versa?
01:19:53 nicomen nah, but the result after doing the bitwise operator is still an int
01:20:02 nicomen which it doesn't like as an expression
01:20:04 Ghosty hmmm
01:20:07 nicomen stupid language
01:20:21 Ghosty how big is an int in your comiler?
01:20:27 ssolie nicomen: you tried utilitybase with firefox lately?
01:20:30 nicomen  } else if ((state & TURNING) != 0) {
01:20:32 nicomen  turnDegrees();
01:20:35 nicomen ssolie: no
01:20:58 Ghosty i never touch int - i always use long, just to be sure
01:21:01 ssolie nicomen: doesn't work for me.. the text input boxes are all about 5 pixels wide
01:21:14 nicomen ssolie: try te new theme
01:21:22 nicomen hotfix
01:21:48 nicomen hm text input boxes or text areas?
01:22:34 Ghosty what is TURNING defined as?
01:22:40 nicomen int
01:22:57 nicomen ssolie: ah ok, the forms beneath articles only right?
01:23:14 ssolie nicomen: that sounds right (I'm not used to your lingo ;)
01:23:39 nicomen ssolie: well, a text input box in html is only one row
01:23:49 Ghosty paste the TURNING definition line from your code
01:23:55 nicomen a textarea is the ones you normally type several lines of text in
01:24:20 nicomen  public final static int TURNING = 1;
01:25:06 Ghosty what happens if you ditch the !=0 bit - i never include that in my code
01:25:34 nicomen that's when it doesn't work
01:25:40 Ghosty odd
01:25:41 nicomen the != 0 is to fix it
01:25:45 Ghosty what compiler are you using?
01:25:50 nicomen GoFetch.java:55: operator & cannot be applied to int,boolean } else if (state & TURNING != 0) {
01:27:17 nicomen ii j2sdk1.4 1.4.2.02-1ubuntu3 Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition
01:27:32 nicomen might be able to cast to boolean
01:27:35 wegster nico you have the mask defined as boolean
01:27:43 nicomen no
01:27:45 wegster doh, nm didn't read above.
01:28:05 nicomen the problem is: an int is not automatically casted to boolean
01:28:14 nicomen it's probably broken as designed
01:28:25 wegster yeah, which is...retarded.
01:28:32 nicomen or, kindergarden
01:32:08 nicomen Ghosty: gues you've been thru the autodocs and examples from the devc2.1
01:32:34 Ghosty i have - nothing i've tried seems to work - though the examples only change the icon's image
01:32:53 Ghosty i want to keep the image the same and just change the label underneath the icon
01:43:15 nicomen hm
01:43:18 nicomen look at YAM code
01:43:27 nicomen ?? yam
01:43:27 GrimReaper yam == <not defined>
01:44:48 nicomen !learn yam http://www.yam.ch
01:45:06 nicomen http://cvs.yam.ch/
01:46:13 Ghosty that's a good shout
01:46:35 Ghosty i run yam - didn't think to look at that(!)
01:46:46 nicomen ;)
01:47:00 nicomen that'll be $299 + VAT
01:47:17 nicomen don't ask _where_ in the code it sets it though
01:49:46 nicomen DisplayAppIconStatistics();
01:54:39 Ghosty yup - looking for that bit of code now
01:56:30 nicomen where was it?
01:56:43 nicomen the function prototype is in YAM_utilities.h
01:57:22 Ghosty i saw the call and the proto - not found the actual function yet
01:59:28 nicomen me neither;)
01:59:34 nicomen sucky viewcvs
01:59:41 nicomen don't feel like downloading source now
02:01:02 nicomen YAM_UT.c
02:01:27 nicomen http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/yamos/yamos/YAM_UT.c?rev=1.255&view=markup
02:02:08 nicomen  if(C->WBAppIcon)
02:02:09 nicomen  G->AppIcon = AddAppIcon(0, 0, apptit, G->AppPort, 0, dobj, TAG_DONE);
02:02:12 nicomen apptit is the tiele
02:02:14 nicomen title
02:02:28 nicomen dobj is probably the DiskObject
02:02:34 nicomen but you probably know this better than me
02:02:36 Ghosty i'm tempted to download the bit of source that does the message delete/move to deleted draw - there's a race condition in there somewhere
02:03:04 nicomen oh
02:05:08 Ghosty nuts
02:05:26 Ghosty looks like YAM deletes the old icon before rebuilding it
02:05:53 nicomen you probably need to
02:06:10 nicomen (remember it changes depending on wether you have incoming mail etc)
02:06:18 Ghosty true
02:06:32 nicomen but if I know AmigaOS right, you probably can't just change the label
02:06:46 nicomen remove and readd is probably the way to do it
02:06:55 Ghosty hmmm
02:07:05 nicomen don't take my word for it though
02:07:07 Ghosty not pretty - i'll see what it looks like
02:07:10 nicomen I suck at AOS API
02:07:27 nicomen you'll probably not notice
02:07:41 Ghosty i hope not
02:07:55 nicomen are you making anything cool?
02:08:23 nicomen ssolie: could you confirm that the input text thing is just under articles, with the old theme in firefox?
02:08:42 ssolie nicomen: can't now.. no firefox
02:09:08 nicomen ah o
02:09:09 nicomen k
02:09:31 Ghosty replacement for cachecdfs' cd player - i want the appicon to show the song name that's currently playing or the title of the album
02:09:51 Ghosty it also reports the currently playing track to amirc as well
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02:29:27 Ghosty well, it works, it's not particularly smooth, but it works
02:30:29 nicomen nice
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02:32:27 Ghosty thanks for the help - much appreciated
02:32:51 Ghosty good night
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02:38:02 MrBot [hnl_dk] hnl_dk
02:38:33 hnl_dk Hello
02:38:39 ssolie hnl_dk: greetings
02:38:50 hnl_dk Hello Steven
02:54:46 number6 Cripey hnl_dk: You still haven't gone to sleep?
02:57:33 nicomen hi hnl_dk
02:57:46 nicomen enjoy why it lasts, noone cares about my bedtime anymore
02:58:16 hnl_dk Hi' :-)
02:58:37 hnl_dk number6: no I am enjoying WarGames :-D
02:59:05 number6 What next? The long version of "War and Peace"?
02:59:43 nicomen gone by the wind
02:59:47 hnl_dk ;-) Need to go to bed before my wife needs to get up... so it looks like I have slept ;-)
03:00:54 number6 Yeah. I'll bet she's fooled by that.
03:09:00 hnl_dk ;-)
03:40:38 nicomen I still think it's really funny that Lumerjack do logs
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03:45:06 nicomen no?
03:46:33 hnl_dk Lumerjack?
03:46:41 nicomen LumberJack
03:47:02 nicomen bot collecting logs
03:47:29 wegster eh?
03:47:30 hnl_dk ok
03:47:43 hnl_dk didn't see it ;-)
03:47:50 nicomen http://irc.utilitybase.com/amigadev/2006-02-03.txt
03:47:52 hnl_dk really funny ;-)
03:48:18 hnl_dk So now there is 3 x bots
03:48:33 nicomen A usually large section of a trunk or limb of a fallen or felled tree.
03:48:34 nicomen A long thick section of trimmed, unhewn timber.
03:48:39 nicomen yeah but really just two
03:48:47 nicomen GrimReaper is from services
03:48:55 hnl_dk ok
03:49:15 nicomen To cut down, trim, and haul the timber of (a piece of land).
03:49:16 nicomen To cut (timber) into unhewn sections.
03:49:17 number6 MrBot and GrimReaper are good friends
03:49:25 nicomen they used to hate eachother
03:49:45 hnl_dk ;-)
03:49:45 nicomen ;)
03:49:49 number6 nicomen: What? Lumberjack mediated their dispute?
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03:50:25 nicomen something like that
03:50:33   -!- * LumberJack is already logging
03:50:34 number6 Sheesh! Robot Wars has nothing on US.
03:50:43 nicomen http://www.geocities.com/agwarali/boing2.png
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03:53:55 nicomen wb
03:54:19 number6 nicomen: Don't encourage him.
03:58:10 wegster thx nico
03:58:17   -!- * wegster flips the bird to #6
04:01:19   -!- * number6 sacrifices the bird to the gods of ack
04:02:23   -!- * wegster hopes it works.
04:02:46 nicomen for now, we'll just call him NACK
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08:13:56 MrBot [hnl_dk] hnl_dk
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09:49:29 hnl_dk It is possible to download a new version of coreutils, now supporting both Unix and absolute Amiga style Paths... at the moment it can be found on os4depot.net
09:57:11 zerohero already downloaded it ;)
09:58:16 hnl_dk great :-)
10:58:11 hnl_dk new version of m4 is there too now :-)
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12:12:06 hnl_dk awk has now also been updated, so it is also able to understand Amiga paths
12:13:23 hnl_dk I am going to update yacc after I have got something to eat, and will make a joined newsitem, including all the files.
12:19:14 OrginWork hnl_dk: Just don't replace any files that you are not the original uploader of.
12:19:47 hnl_dk I am only replacing my one ones
12:19:56 OrginWork Good :)
12:19:59 hnl_dk ;-)
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13:11:27 hnl_dk need to do some shopping... bbl
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16:35:27 itix hi
16:35:56 zerohero hello itix
16:35:59 hnl_dk Hi' :-)
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16:51:50 itix re
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16:59:38 SixK lo
17:01:45 SixK hi itix
17:02:06 nicomen oys
17:02:08 nicomen b
17:02:55 SixK yop nicomen
17:04:55 hnl_dk Hi' Nicolas
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18:59:02 Raziel heh, thanks nicomen
18:59:11 Raziel hows FreeCiv going? :-)
18:59:26 nicomen it's doing just fine ;)
18:59:48 Raziel yes? well, ... hmmm .. great then, where can i get it? :-P
19:00:06 nicomen freeciv.org
19:01:10 Raziel LOL
19:01:25 Raziel thank you, will take a look for the OS4 native version from nicomen
19:01:28 Raziel ...checking
19:01:36 Raziel ...checking
19:01:42 Raziel ...can not be processed
19:01:45 Raziel :-)
19:01:57 itix me and frank wille are porting freeciv2 to os3/os4/mos
19:02:19 Raziel freeciv (2) ?
19:02:43 itix yes, 2.0.x
19:02:51 Raziel ah, cool
19:03:01 Raziel sdl backend?
19:03:03 nicomen the mui version I take it
19:03:07 itix mui backend
19:03:16 nicomen the sdl is just about compiling mainly
19:03:20 nicomen at least now
19:05:28 Raziel hnl_dk: can we discuss here?
19:06:04 hnl_dk ok
19:06:27 hnl_dk but read my last post in #amigaworld
19:06:28 Raziel sed downloading, but i think i alrready had that version, well
19:06:34 hnl_dk ok
19:06:34 Raziel diffutils needed?
19:06:42 Raziel don't have an idea how to install them
19:07:07 hnl_dk maybe... I don't know if it is needed with ScummVM configure
19:07:28 Raziel k
19:07:34 Raziel gsed or gsed.unix?
19:07:36 hnl_dk My ports (coreutils is not my port) should just be copied to SDK:
19:07:46 hnl_dk rename gsed.unix to sed
19:08:00 hnl_dk and copy it to SDK:Local/C
19:08:12 Raziel that maybe the one of the probs, i think i took gsed and renamed it
19:08:17 hnl_dk ok
19:08:33 hnl_dk that one does not understand unix path style...
19:08:43 Raziel oh
19:09:02 nicomen gsed?
19:09:11 Raziel gnu sed
19:09:42 hnl_dk nicomen: he is using 4.0.9, as he did not like the other port
19:09:46 nicomen I though I names it sed
19:09:59 hnl_dk it should be ;-)
19:10:02 nicomen liked?
19:10:14 Raziel hey, i LIKE the port, but it's not working for me
19:10:20 Raziel reapers
19:10:24 Raziel :-(
19:10:32 nicomen the one I made?
19:10:35 nicomen please report bugs
19:10:59 hnl_dk Raziel: I think it is as You have been using the wrong one (not sed-unix renamed to sed)
19:11:46 Raziel hnl_dk: k, will try compiling now
19:11:50 Raziel nicomen: ok
19:12:32 Raziel nicomen: Taken from the readme
19:12:39 Raziel nicomen: This is an older version of GNU sed which appears to work
19:12:39 Raziel better than the latest version. (sed 4.1.4 crashes a lot)
19:12:56 Raziel http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=utility/shell/gnu-sed.lha
19:13:17 hnl_dk but as I told... I think You have been using the wrong one...
19:13:32 hnl_dk the port made by nicolas is working fine...
19:13:45 Raziel hnl_dk: ok, it doesn't changed anything on the --host "issue"
19:14:08 Raziel and i still get an error when trying to "make clean"
19:14:11 Raziel hrmph
19:14:28 Raziel backends/sdl/.deps/events.d:66: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop.
19:14:51 hnl_dk make can not be used before You have finished the configuration...
19:15:07 hnl_dk try disabling dependency tracking
19:15:11 Raziel before config.mak is done?
19:15:24 nicomen dependencies get fucked up due to -lunix shit
19:16:13 Raziel ah, yes, now another question
19:16:30 Raziel popup requester asking for "dev", "usr" and such???
19:16:54 nicomen tried newest abc-shell?
19:17:01 Raziel yup
19:17:01 nicomen but yeah those are standard dirs
19:17:05 nicomen just assigned them
19:17:06 hnl_dk usr should be assigned to SDK:Local
19:17:19 nicomen well
19:17:30 nicomen should really be sdk: since /usr/local is something too
19:17:35 nicomen but it's a total mess
19:18:03 Raziel ok "dev"?
19:18:15 hnl_dk I know, but there is a problem with the structure of SDK :-(
19:19:00 hnl_dk nicomen: I have fixed the problem about using unix and absolute Amiga path in clib2... it is not accepted by Olaf yet, but it is working fine for me. If You would like it, to make sed able to use both unix and amiga paths, could I send the library to You
19:19:22 hnl_dk Raziel: You shouldn't assign dev
19:19:43 Raziel hnl_dk: too late
19:20:03 hnl_dk no problem... shouldn't do any difference
19:20:14 Raziel ok, so i could go to ram: also?
19:20:35 hnl_dk go to?
19:20:43 Raziel sorry, assigned
19:21:19 hnl_dk You shouldn't use RAM: for any assigns, as RAM: is not called RAM:... it is called RAM DISK:
19:21:41 Raziel oki, i always assign such things to SHARKOON:
19:21:58 Raziel usb stick :-D
19:22:01 hnl_dk ok
19:22:17 Raziel hmm, compiling
19:22:31 hnl_dk so You have configured it?
19:22:47 Raziel well, i let it run with simply "./configure"
19:23:07 hnl_dk that is configuring, not compiling ;-)
19:23:43 Raziel eh, yes, but after the configuration "config,mak" was "configured" :-) and now i'm compiling with "make"
19:24:27 hnl_dk You should always run "./configure --help" to see what option You have...
19:24:39 Raziel i did
19:24:46 Raziel problem is amiga shell doesn't has history
19:24:52 Raziel so much is lost :-)
19:24:59 Raziel many is lost
19:25:42 hnl_dk ok, then You should open the configure file in notepad... so You can read it ;-)
19:26:01 Raziel hmm, building automatically with the flag -DUNIX, is that a problem?
19:26:37 hnl_dk I guess that is a standard in scummvm configure script, but I don't know it...
19:27:25 Raziel hmm, could it be that the SDK scares away beginners due to the "issues"?
19:27:43 Raziel I'm scraed, you know!
19:27:46 Raziel scared
19:28:02 hnl_dk and -DUNIX does not need to be a problem, it depends on how -DUNIX is used by ScummVM
19:28:48 Raziel so path problems, if there are any, should be dealt with in the source
19:30:02 hnl_dk it is "basic" knowledge needed to run configure scripts... You would also need this information, if You wanted to run configure on Linux/BSD
19:30:34 Raziel k, another one of "fraks" :-)
19:30:41 hnl_dk ;-)
19:30:46 Raziel i hope to get more insight knowledge soon
19:31:17 itix -DUNIX probably means configure scripts thinks you are compiling for unix system... usually opposite choices are osx and windows
19:31:19 hnl_dk I hope that it is going to become more easy soon
19:31:23 itix so -DUNIX is right
19:32:13 Raziel itix:k, what puszzles me is that before SDK-reinstallation all of what i'm doing now was CPMPLETELY different, so not sure if i'm on the right track
19:33:03 Raziel i probably shouldn't say that, no to trigger the reaper, but it's compiling far beyond i ever came vefore :-D
19:33:27 hnl_dk good
19:37:43 itix Raziel: as long as configure succeeds everything is ok
19:37:51 Raziel damn
19:37:55 Raziel error:
19:38:04 Raziel make: *** [backends/fs/posix/posix-fs.o] Error 1
19:38:10 Raziel posix?
19:38:27 Raziel backends/fs/posix/posix-fs.cpp:30:23: sys/param.h: No such file or directory
19:41:54 Raziel i don't have a param.h in newlib/include/sys
19:41:59 Raziel grr
19:42:11 Raziel i HAVE actually
19:42:13 Raziel sorry
19:42:19 hnl_dk I guess You should try asking frak... I don't know anything about the sourcecode, or configure script of scummvm
19:42:32 hnl_dk he is on #amiga_overmind at the moment
19:42:43 Raziel ok, thanks for your help :-)
19:42:57 hnl_dk Hope You are going to succed
19:43:39 Raziel yes, well, sooner or later
19:43:54 Raziel when OS4 is out and the SDK is updates for "Complete beginners"
19:44:00 Raziel :-)
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19:47:01 hnl_dk bbl
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20:15:07 MrBot [[1]hnl_dk] hnl_dk
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21:53:54 hnl_dk Check newsitem on Utilitybase.com or AmigaWorld.net
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21:58:09 hnl_dk welcome Jahc
21:58:20 jahc hi
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22:38:20 zerohero evening people
22:38:31 jahc hi zero
22:38:43 zerohero oi jahc, what's happening?
22:39:33 jahc nothing really..
22:40:04 zerohero waiting for upd4 then :)
22:42:00 jahc I bet they've found more bugs in the update4 iso, and they're waiting for betatesters to test the new one
22:42:31 zerohero haven't heard anything about a third rc so i'm hoping for this weekend :)
22:42:32 jahc I'm waiting for day 2 of the Rugby Sevens to start
22:42:47 jahc "rc" ?
22:42:55 zerohero release candidate
22:43:13 zerohero rc2 has been tested this week
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