Utilitybase chatlog - 2006-01-26

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01:32:45 zerohero hey wegster
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01:45:48 Chain|Q wegster!
01:48:30 wegster hey zerohero , Chain|Q , how goes it?
01:48:48 wegster X locked up on me, I'm so.....sad :-(
01:49:10 zerohero uhm, how did that happen?
01:50:36 wegster zerohero, dunno, locked this morning in middle of long damned email response of all things, just got off work (8:30pm), haven't triaged logs yet
01:51:02 zerohero ouch, long day
01:53:01 wegster not over yet. Funny though, west coast mail server raid died, glad I migrated off it :-D Nice to have confirmation/proof their infrastructure blows chunks.
01:56:15 zerohero not over yet? nice work days you have
01:57:17 wegster erm, yes, ok ;-)
01:57:39 wegster need to do a rev of an evil doc or two before 'end of business'
02:10:05 Chain|Q wegster: my cubicide is finally here ;)
02:10:32 wegster Chain|Q, woo hoo, mine too, took a long time :-( Play with it yet?
02:10:35 Chain|Q wegster: check out: http://scenergy.dfmk.hu/amiga/images/pegasos/Pega2-CubicIDE_vs_FPC.png :P
02:10:43 wegster uh oh, should I be afraid?
02:11:15 Chain|Q not really :)
02:12:15 wegster rofl, been so long since I've seen pascal it took a while to figure out wtf ;-)
02:12:27 wegster Chain|Q, working ok for ya, 'trying to' like it, or?
02:13:07 Chain|Q well, it works. i still don't like it though. but probably i keep it. for more complex hackings, it's well suited. because i managed to set up some pascal syntax highlighting in it, as you see
02:13:11 Chain|Q and for code i don't know
02:13:44 Chain|Q that's very useful
02:14:18 Chain|Q wegster: so thanks again ;)
02:14:42 wegster Chain|Q, nod, it's not perfect by any means, and keybindings piss me off in it, but is still useful/better than other options for me anyways. Feel free to sell it if you decide ya don't like it, no offense taken as I'm 'mixed' myself, but think is best we have now.
02:15:05 wegster Chain|Q, nod, no problem, welcome!
02:16:02 Chain|Q btw, the code you see on that shot is the library call syntax handling for classic amiga, ppc amigaos, and ppc morphos (at the bottom, most of the part missing:)
02:16:19 Chain|Q well, i won't sell it. i don't have many legal software, with my name on it :P
02:16:32 wegster Chain|Q, rofl, you bad person, you! ;-)
02:16:40 Chain|Q <- really lame software pirate.
02:18:06 wegster heheh, I won't mention my err, corp licensed Windblows in my VMware session ;-)
02:20:22 Chain|Q ;]
02:20:44 Chain|Q stealing windows is no piracy. that's something like robin hood did. :D
02:20:45 wegster this is sorta cool, wed just posted, anyone looked at for giggles? http://www.menuetos.net/
02:21:39 Chain|Q yes i checked that stuff out already
02:22:12 Chain|Q however, it has zero importance for us, because it's 100% in x86 (and x86-64 lately) assembly. something what you port with recompilation ;)
02:22:12 wegster it's got to have a posix api on it b/c of the ports list, just glancing at it now...but err, whats it GOOD for? ;-)
02:22:26 Chain|Q sigh
02:22:30 Chain|Q it's really late
02:22:30 wegster naah I know, I meant as a general curiosity, not tso much/at all aos-ish related
02:22:40 Chain|Q s/recompilation/rewrite
02:22:42 Chain|Q i mean ;)
02:23:05 wegster gotcha..the whole thing is really in asm then?
02:23:34 Chain|Q sure it is
02:23:41 Chain|Q it's some uber-geeky project
02:23:57 Chain|Q sure it's fun, but i doubt it'll have many use
02:24:01 wegster nod, so err, nobody using it for really anything besides toy?
02:24:31 Chain|Q though, if someone creates an x86 src -> ppc bin cross-assembler :) which interprets x86 asm src, and outputs a ppc binary... in theory, it must be possible :)
02:24:48 Chain|Q but that's really something i call a hack ;)
02:24:57 Chain|Q wegster: i doubt it has serious use
02:25:29 wegster Chain|Q, nod, still neat, I suppose. good resume builder? ;-)
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04:39:26 number6 Hi jahc
04:39:31 jahc hi
04:39:37 jahc I'm messing with GUI colours and settings
04:39:49 jahc I think I've just about got it perfect
04:39:56 number6 For Wookie or GUI prefs?
04:40:06 jahc sys:prefs/gui
04:40:26 number6 Ah! I give you a link if you keep it to yourself.
04:40:35 jahc sure
04:40:49 jahc sioami has made my os4 environment look so much fresher
04:40:54 jahc its like having a brand new amiga again hehe
04:41:31 jahc I just backed up yesterday.. I gotta back up again because of all the roms and system changes I've made over the last few 24 hrs hehe
04:41:47 jahc I wonder if my star trek novels are here yet
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04:53:33 jahc still messing with mui settings..
04:53:35 jahc locked up
04:53:46 number6 Ah! That can happen.
04:54:45 number6 Did I tell you that zerohero also agreed with @slash about tearoff.mcc? That makes 3 of us that think this needs a re-write.
04:55:09 jahc oh ok, interesting
04:55:21 jahc I wonder if it will solve my dragging issue
04:56:07 number6 I am still locking up with that one. I believe (no proof) that it is tearoff.mcc.
04:56:27 number6 Slash or zerohero might be able to confirm this.
05:01:58 jahc brb
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05:03:22 number6 rehi
05:03:24 jahc each colour has to be perfect
05:03:40 jahc the help rectangles were ugly.. had to fix it
05:03:54 jahc they had a dark grey background, changed it to white
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09:30:36 zerohero are there any LoadSeg() examples for os4?
09:30:49 zerohero i can see it has changed somewhat since 3.x
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09:49:59 zerohero morning jahc
09:50:05 jahc hi zero
09:50:10 jahc I'm heading off to bed shortly I think
09:50:29 zerohero it's early still? :)
09:50:44 jahc its 2255 here
09:52:06 zerohero yeah, still early
09:52:36 jahc I recieved 4 very old star trek novels today
09:52:39 jahc got them for $2 nzd each
09:54:00 zerohero sounds reasonable
09:54:13 zerohero they were in good condition?
09:55:27 jahc they're old books.. the pages are intact
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11:06:20 zerohero nicomen: is it [quote]blah[/qoute] on ub.com?
11:12:02 nicomen yup
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11:47:28 nicomen hi ac
11:47:35 AC hi Nico
12:05:57 zerohero nicomen: what's LumberJack doing here exactly? gathering stats?
12:12:28 nicomen Logging
12:12:48 nicomen http://irc.utilitybase.com/amigadev/
12:15:55 zerohero I*M BEING LOGGED??????!! ;)
12:16:49 nicomen ure, both in my personal irc client and that bot, and probably most of the other users here ;)
12:17:20 zerohero outrageous
12:17:32 zerohero i'll have to hunt you all down and kill you now
12:17:44 kindergip :)
12:17:53 zerohero hmm, norway seems to be closest, i'll start there
12:18:08   -!- * kindergip sets sniperscope on zerohero
12:18:15   -!- * nicomen pretends to be afraid
12:18:27 kindergip Watch your back.....some people have paid for this service
12:18:44 nicomen pay to watch behinds?
12:18:49 kindergip :)
12:19:04 kindergip we can't have some nutcase remove all the best web cam viewing
12:19:28 zerohero hmm, anyway
12:19:40 zerohero i want examples on loadseg() usage on os4 :P
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13:58:47 MrBot [hnl_dk] hnl_dk
13:58:58 hnl_dk Hello
14:00:05 nicomen yo
14:00:34 hnl_dk am at the moment recompiling clib2... taking some time...
14:01:01 nicomen why?
14:02:10 hnl_dk 'ln -s' is not able to make links uing *nix path style, becourse of clib2... I have fixed it, but need to test it before sending it to Olaf
14:02:31 nicomen oh
14:02:42 nicomen translate it before you pass it on?
14:03:39 hnl_dk does not work...
14:04:09 hnl_dk it needs to be done from within clib2
14:04:39 hnl_dk that is at least what it looks like ;-)
14:06:25 hnl_dk problem is that symlink from clib2 is only accepting relative paths... but 'ln' from both *BSD and GNU Coreutils use abolute path
14:07:12 nicomen hm
14:08:07 hnl_dk But I should soon be able to see if my fix is working ;-) Was using Olafs own code anyway... So I don't think he is going to have anything again it ;-)
14:09:07 hnl_dk did You get my reply (about awk)
14:09:27 nicomen yup ;)
14:10:35 hnl_dk ok... You understand that it is hard to set a version number, when there is no... and I don't want to usse the one of win32... That is why I started at 1.0 for this release ;-)
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14:13:27 nicomen hnl_dk: sure, but "awk" isn't very descriptive, and what happens on next release? "awk" then too? ;)
14:14:41 nicomen nicomen has kicked hnl_dk from #AmigaDev
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14:14:59 nicomen ;)
14:15:09 hnl_dk Thanks
14:16:38 nicomen 15:13 <@nicomen> hnl_dk: sure, but "awk" isn't very descriptive, and what happens on next release? "awk" then too? ;)
14:16:48 hnl_dk Ahh You where simply thinking of the title?... I thought You where thinking of needing to reffer to the version number of original
14:17:16 nicomen nope
14:17:56 hnl_dk next time it will be awk 1.1 or maybe 1.01 or omething like that
14:19:21 nicomen well, if you don't fix the title, I'll pprobably do it ;)
14:19:45 hnl_dk that damn 's' button... problem is that it is my wifes laptop :-( Not the best thing to need to get a new keyboard for it :-(
14:19:54 hnl_dk I will fix it now ;-)
14:20:28 nicomen maybe cleaning it helps?
14:21:07 hnl_dk I have tried... when I get the time... I will try it again
14:21:07 Orgin I changed the description on os4depot just after approving the file: http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=development/language/awk.lha
14:21:22 hnl_dk ok
14:22:03 Orgin Didn't see it before I approved it or it would have propagated to aminet.
14:22:58 hnl_dk ok, what was wrong with the original decription?
14:23:12 Orgin It was just "awk".
14:23:44 AC hey Henning
14:23:46 hnl_dk ahh... thanks... will do better next time... BAD Henning...
14:23:53 Orgin :O)
14:23:59 hnl_dk Hej Rene
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16:37:14 zerohero nicomen: [code]blah[/code] works?
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17:41:12 zerohero zerohero has changed the topic to: Amiga development channel | Use http://utilitybase.com/paste for huge pastings | http://amigadev.amigaworld.net | http://utilitybase.com | http://www.rootdirectory.de/solar/citations.html <-- teh funneys | http://www.ylonen.org/away.html
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17:58:14 zerohero wb #6
17:58:30 number6 zerohero: High winds. Phone outage.
17:59:21 zerohero number6: hehe
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18:07:58 nicomen zerohero: [csource]
18:08:17 zerohero nicomen: ah, too late, i used quote :)
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18:08:34 nicomen that works too, just not as "nice"
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18:08:48 zerohero nicomen: and then realised i could paste everything into /paste thing
18:08:58 nicomen true ;)
18:09:04 zerohero but i don't think that's where the real error is anymore...
18:10:34 nicomen I love that away thing
18:10:42 zerohero :)
18:10:55 nicomen I used it myself on some other guy the other day
18:10:57 zerohero it's the law in #amiga @ ircnet :)
18:11:15 nicomen hasn't been a problem here though
18:11:27 zerohero nah, just for the fun of it :)
18:16:13 hnl_dk nicomen: 'ln -s' is now working :-) will send the cahnges to Olaf, and will upload a new version of coreutils soon...
18:18:58 nicomen nice one
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18:26:11 afxgroup hi
18:26:18 number6 Hi...testing...
18:26:28 nicomen ahi
18:27:56 Alchemy nicomen, did number 6 get auto +v here off grimreaper
18:27:58 Alchemy last tme he joined
18:28:17 nicomen nope
18:28:26 nicomen or
18:28:27 nicomen maybe
18:28:36 nicomen probably if he was identified
18:28:53 Alchemy ah
18:29:01 Alchemy i just told him howto identify
18:29:10 Alchemy and got auto +v in here but i cant see him in access
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18:31:29 Alchemy sorry nicomen i mis understood what eh said
18:31:38 zerohero i really don't get why we have +v anyway?
18:31:57 Alchemy zerohero, if nicomen gets angry at a noob /mode #amigadev +
18:31:58 Alchemy m
18:32:06 zerohero not likely
18:32:11 Alchemy possible though
18:32:14 zerohero /kickban n00b
18:32:23 Alchemy + it shows that you are a regular user or possible know what your talking about
18:32:32 zerohero lol
18:32:39 Alchemy :-)
18:32:42 zerohero i have ops, i rarely know what i'm talking about :P
18:32:50 nicomen I guess it's a social thing
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18:33:02 Alchemy i a network admin I barely remember what day it is ometimes -_-
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18:33:17 Alchemy sometimes*
18:33:25 nicomen if they have bothere to regiser and identify they are more likely to be oldtimers
18:34:05 Alchemy ooh yeah, nicomen wegster asked me to code up a bot for keeping times bans in place, anything special you want adding
18:34:06 nicomen which can be ok to point out in the channel list
18:34:35 nicomen Alchemy: not in particular, mrbot can do that already
18:35:02 Alchemy hmm maybe worth tellnig everyone the controls + wegster
18:35:09 Alchemy he thinks (and I thought) we dont have a bot to do that
18:35:17 nicomen well, noone asked ;D
18:35:20 Alchemy lol
18:35:25   -!- * zerohero hates debugging btw
18:37:17 number6 zerohero: Confirmed. Debugging hated.
18:37:31 nicomen love to squash bugs though
18:37:38 nicomen it's the looking for them that is boring
18:37:52 nicomen you can solve that by not adding bugs to the code though
18:37:52 number6 nicomen: Yep.
18:37:58 number6 lol
18:38:12 Alchemy its nice doing that weird little laugh to yoru self
18:38:14 nicomen of course that doesn't work on other people's code
18:38:15   -!- * zerohero also hates spelling stuff wrong
18:38:17 Alchemy with really texan 'hhaha gotcha'
18:38:34 zerohero hunting real bugs is annoying enough
18:39:17 number6 zerohero: Especially software bugs when related to internet or hardware. Yech!
18:43:23 zerohero i've allocated space for a message between modules
18:43:42 zerohero i try to copy text there, but it turns out to be null all the time :/
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18:54:33 itix hi
18:54:55 zerohero hello itix
19:03:21 afxgroup hi itix
19:03:39 zerohero oi andrea :)
19:04:14 afxgroup ciao :)
19:08:20 Orgin afxgroup: No answer from dave?
19:09:26 afxgroup ah, yes. i need his mail
19:09:36 afxgroup i've seen on os4depot that there isn't a mail
19:09:38 itix andrea, zerotus
19:10:51 Orgin afxgroup: I sent it to you by mail.
19:11:32 Orgin and there is an email, it's just scrambled to avoid atleast some email spam bot crawlers.
19:11:52 Orgin sqlite3/happybiscuit com -> sqlite3@happybiscuit.com
19:13:44 afxgroup Sent
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19:17:34 Orgin I'm going to turn off uploading on os4depot in a few days, and I want to clear the upload queue before that.
19:18:50 zerohero Orgin: why?
19:19:02 Orgin Server maintenance.
19:19:28 zerohero ok
19:20:03 hnl_dk :-(
19:20:58 hnl_dk so it will not be able to get something to os4depot?
19:21:05 afxgroup itix.. have you downloaded something with bourr?
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19:22:15 Orgin Hopefully it will be possible to download more than one file and browse at the same time after that.
19:26:14 afxgroup Bugs!! BUUUUUUGS!!!!
19:26:41 zerohero there's always bugs
19:26:51   -!- * zerohero has turned off debugging for now
19:27:00 afxgroup MANY BUGS!! TOO MANY!!
19:27:00 Alchemy whats worse is when you see them at 5am
19:27:03 Alchemy and you ran out of beer
19:27:10 Alchemy and you sworn to yourself your going to bed
19:28:14 number6 afxgroup: calm down. take a deep breath......
19:29:03 zerohero afxgroup: maybe you should try another program instead, you've been frustrated with this one for quite some time now ;)
19:32:10 hnl_dk afxgroup: I have fixed 'ln', so when You get it... should You get some less problems while configuring...
19:32:34 zerohero cross-compilers all the way ... :)
19:33:43 hnl_dk zerohero: But with cross-compilers You don't have the same "fun" ;-)
19:34:13 zerohero tell afxgroup, he's on windows. at least i'm on linux ;)
19:34:27 hnl_dk zerohero: ;-)
19:35:08 zerohero you can't beat vim with colors :)
19:36:03 itix afxgroup: nope
19:36:06 itix afxgroup: it never works for me
19:37:20 afxgroup hnl_dk: send, send..
19:37:31 hnl_dk Will do...
19:37:37 afxgroup itix: ....
19:38:13 hnl_dk afxgroup: But it is not the same thing as I am going to upload later...
19:38:18 itix first of all i must fix networking so it doesnt crash with my netstack
19:39:04 afxgroup une bug has go to the hell.. ;)
19:41:22 afxgroup when the program was connected to a server and i will try to close the program a fantastic GR was shown..
19:42:53 itix quitting doesnt really work
19:42:54 hnl_dk afxgroup: You have got mail
19:43:00 itix it nukes even when not connected
19:43:26 afxgroup not here
19:43:38 afxgroup hnl_dk: fly..
19:44:35 afxgroup Orgin: Dave address is not good
19:46:42 hnl_dk afxgroup: have You got it?
19:46:49 afxgroup yep. testing e-uae
19:46:55 hnl_dk great :-)
19:47:04 afxgroup attbin has go to hell at the end.. ;)
19:49:59 hnl_dk no, but we ignore the f**king thing ;-)
19:50:20 afxgroup ah.. :D
19:51:00   -!- * hnl_dk is ignoring .attbin:
19:56:26 afxgroup same errors.. :(
20:02:24 hnl_dk What where the errors... when I tried it, was the 'ln -s' problem the only thing wrong...
20:03:14 afxgroup def_ couldn't open file ./confstat41021504-15503/undefs.sed
20:03:23 afxgroup No sich file or directory
20:03:34 afxgroup such
20:03:52 hnl_dk Then You the wrong 'sed' ... not the *nix path one!!!
20:05:15 hnl_dk http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=utility/shell/gnu-sed-ss.lha
20:05:22 hnl_dk http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=utility/shell/gnu-sed.lha
20:05:26 hnl_dk both work...
20:05:49 hnl_dk But You need to rename the one with 'unix' in the name to 'sed'
20:07:57 afxgroup which of two?
20:26:47 hnl_dk try this one... should not matter though (they worked both for me when trying e-uae): http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=utility/shell/gnu-sed.lha
20:28:33 zerohero could someone help out and see why this crashes:
20:28:34 zerohero http://zerohero.homeip.net/~zerohero/crash.txt
20:28:54 zerohero i'm not too good with those grim reapers :)
20:29:36 afxgroup hnl_dk: now i have problems with rm, cp and diff..
20:30:14 zerohero it's the crash at the bottom that freezes the puter
20:32:05 itix AmigaE swaps stack so stack pointer is always "out of bounds" from kernel POV
20:34:08 hnl_dk afxgroup: did something crash... if so... reset the computer...
20:34:12 zerohero itix: ok
20:35:25 afxgroup no, i have problem with this version of my commands.. old?
20:37:46 itix zerohero: you should know which layers function is crashing?
20:42:02 itix you probably wish to add some debug output to that function to validate passed parameters and so on
20:42:30 zerohero itix: region and layer seem to be filled, but not hook
20:43:00 zerohero itix: i've never worked with layers myself, which is making debuging a little bit hard :)
20:43:23 hnl_dk very stange... But I am at the moment uploading a new version of coreutils to os4depot.net ... there shouldn't be that many problems with memory allocation with this version, and 'ln -s' is working too
20:44:36 itix zerohero: obviously something is NULL (r3) ;)
20:46:34 zerohero itix: yes, struct Hook is null, changelayershape()
20:49:45 hnl_dk afxgroup: what are the problems with rm, cp and diff?
20:50:07 zerohero itix: something else as well, it seems :)
20:50:23 zerohero itix: but i check everything now, it's just that it crashes
20:50:24 afxgroup hnl_dk: command fail for some reasons..
20:51:36 hnl_dk afxgroup: if they are complaining about permissions or memory allocation, should that be fixed in the new version of coreutils (not diff though)
20:55:28 afxgroup hnl_dk: they are already on os4depot?
20:57:10 hnl_dk afxgroup: no, it needs to get accepted before You are able to download it
20:58:26 hnl_dk afxgroup: and as I'm not the original uploader will they need to contact Steven before replacing his file
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21:04:24 afxgroup damn.. i don't understand when the download command is passed to socket!
21:07:32 hnl_dk afxgroup: If You want me to... could I upload it to my own website too... but as this isn't "my" port am I going to delete it when it has been accepted
21:08:35 afxgroup try to dcc to me
21:08:58 hnl_dk I don't have the file on this computer...
21:09:10 afxgroup how can i print a string into 0x** format?
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21:10:08 itix 0x%08lx
21:10:26 afxgroup and a string? must do a for?
21:10:47 afxgroup or printf format it to me?
21:11:05 itix oh a string
21:11:20 itix it gets nasty then
21:11:44 itix you need printf() loop to print single byte %x
21:11:55 afxgroup uff..
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21:12:30 zerohero re
21:12:46 afxgroup  for (i=0;i<buflen;i++)
21:12:46 afxgroup  DB(KPrintF("0x%08lx ",buf2[i]));
21:12:53 afxgroup correct?
21:13:16 itix 0x%02lx is better i think
21:13:45 itix so you dont get 8 digits but just t2o
21:13:48 itix two
21:14:04 afxgroup understand
21:15:40 itix anyway, dinner is ready
21:16:37 afxgroup :)
21:21:45 hnl_dk afxgroup: am uploading it now to my website... should be there in a few minutes
21:22:23 afxgroup ok
21:22:58 hnl_dk afxgroup: it's there now
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21:29:39 afxgroup link pls
21:31:49 zerohero http://amigaos.dk/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=29
21:31:53 hnl_dk just go to amigaos.dk and click on downloads
21:31:56 zerohero coreutils :)
21:32:10 hnl_dk zerohero: thanks for the link ;-)
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