Utilitybase chatlog - 2006-01-24

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00:09:53 itix n8
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02:27:58 kindergip hey ho
02:28:17 kindergip who knows
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07:38:23 zerohero hmm
07:38:32 zerohero these zip sources are really wierd
07:42:02 zerohero how andrea managed to build anything with these makefiles is way beyond me
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08:09:30 kas1e hi
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10:22:21 zerohero hey jahc
10:29:45 jahc evening zero
10:34:06 zerohero anything interesting happening in your world?
10:34:15 jahc nope
10:34:19 jahc I saw off family at the airport
10:34:34 jahc uncles and cousins going back to samoa
10:34:55 zerohero ok, so you need a week to recover now then? ;)
10:35:20 jahc why would I need that?
10:36:12 zerohero spending time with family usually have that effect :)
10:36:29 zerohero tons of stuff you do, just because they're visiting
10:36:39 zerohero maybe it's different where you live tho :)
10:41:00 jahc I went to buy a thick shake from mcdonalds at the airport and ended up buying 4 happy meals, a chocolate sundae, and a boss burger as well
10:41:29 jahc i.e. for nephews and nieces and brothers
10:41:32 jahc :)
10:41:35 zerohero hehe
10:42:03 jahc I was joking about paying $20 nzd for a thick shake
10:42:12 jahc or whatever the amount was hehe
10:42:41 zerohero they stayed long?
10:43:19 jahc about a month or so
10:43:44 zerohero nice
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13:51:31 zerohero #6
13:51:51 number6 Hi
14:11:51 zerohero number6: btw, i've uploaded a new version of unzip to os4depot
14:12:00 zerohero number6: same fix as with unrar
14:12:24 zerohero number6: not approved yet, tho
14:16:16 number6 OK. I'll watch for it. Thanks. Anything else going on?
14:16:46 zerohero number6: i uploaded zhxpk to the depot as well, not much else :)
14:17:08 number6 Heh! You did -enough- in 24 hours, believe me!
14:17:42 zerohero unzip and unrar is thanks to nicolas and andrea, i really didn't do much
14:18:36 number6 Eh? Having the dialogue about the topic, led to the end result, right? You deserve credit for everything you do!
14:19:35 zerohero sure, but editing 4 lines of code in each can hardly be considered work :)
14:23:12   -!- * number6 is going to have to review his attempt to complement zerohero. It appears that this attempt was a big mistake....
14:23:26 zerohero lol
14:23:46 zerohero thank you ;)
14:23:51 number6 Welcome!
14:24:41 zerohero i just don't want to take credit for other peoples work, just because i did some finshing touches
14:24:54 zerohero +i
14:25:14 zerohero but maybe i should think more about myself next time :)
14:25:30 nicomen lol
14:25:52 nicomen I'm just happy I don't need to maintain unrar anymore ;)
14:26:02 zerohero lmao
14:26:35 number6 In the end, you will only receive appreciation from you peer group. The people (users, etc) will never know who did what....much less care. Oops. Did I just say that?
14:26:48 nicomen zerohero: btw. isn't this enough credit?
14:26:49 nicomen mendoza@agnus:/amiga/source/from-lisa/unrar-3.4.3-ppc-amigaos-zerohero-src$ grep -i jocke *
14:26:53 nicomen os.hpp:static char *version_cookie __attribute__((used)) = "$VER: UnRAR 3.4.3 (22.01.2006) \uffff Alexander Roshal, Nicolas Mendoza <mendoza@pvv.ntnu.no>, Joachim Birging <jocke.birging@gmail.com>\0";
14:26:57 nicomen unrar-src.readme:Author: Alexander Roshal, Nicolas Mendoza <mendoza at pvv.ntnu.no>, Joachim Birging <jocke.birging@gmail.com>
14:27:10 number6 Who the hell is Jocke?
14:27:13 number6 lol
14:27:17 nicomen zerohero ;)
14:27:29 nicomen man that \uffff shouldn't be there, wonder where it came from
14:27:45 nicomen anyone remember where in the NDK the version string format is explained?
14:27:50 number6 Hmm....os4depot must have been hacked, eh?
14:28:11 nicomen number6: nah that's not from os4depot, downloaded it from zerohero's site
14:28:17 zerohero nicomen: rkrm somewhere
14:28:22 zerohero ;)
14:28:37 nicomen grep time again I guess... that thread about $ver in UB isn't very good
14:28:44 number6 Re: version string. We do seem to have some programs "out there" without version strings.
14:28:52 nicomen sure, lots and los
14:29:21 number6 I have taken to using "comment" to note mine.
14:29:45 zerohero nicomen: "\0$VER: name version.revision date extrainfo"
14:30:32 zerohero nicomen: don't think that last \0 needs to be there
14:30:41 nicomen me neither
14:30:50 nicomen neither the ending one really
14:30:54 nicomen but maybe
14:31:02 zerohero number6: and i'm jocke, really joachim but jocke is used most of the time :)
14:31:16 zerohero nicomen: the first one should be there, not the ending one
14:31:20 number6 Heh! I -knew- that. Just kidding.
14:31:26 zerohero pfft ;)
14:31:29 nicomen zerohero: hm
14:32:03 zerohero \0$VER: should be the start of every version string
14:33:32 nicomen ok
14:43:22 zerohero nicomen: btw, how did you manage to compile symlink() in ulinks.cpp? (unrar)
14:44:12 zerohero and you used clib2, but there is no sys/file.h in clib2
14:56:36 Orgin zerohero: reupload of unzip? There was no previous unzip on os4depot.
14:57:02 zerohero Orgin: there was in the zip.lha archive
14:57:16 zerohero Orgin: it saved all protectionbits as '----'
14:59:03 Orgin zerohero: Ahh there, well, you do know that I have to spend time contacting the original uploaders now.
14:59:28 zerohero Orgin: check logs, i spoke to afxgroup tonigt, he said it was ok....
14:59:36 zerohero last night even
14:59:59 zerohero Orgin: right after afxgroup entered #amigadev
15:00:23 zerohero Orgin: but sure, mail him if you want to :)
15:00:55 zerohero Orgin: he was kind of relieved i fixed it too ;)
15:01:13 number6 Yep.
15:07:39 Orgin Nice total number of files on OS4Depot now.
15:09:00 number6 Orgin: Yep.
15:16:45 zerohero nicomen: typedef int sint32; //signed 32 bits exactly
15:16:55 zerohero nicomen: shouldn't that be long really?
15:17:08 zerohero nicomen: or are ints 32 bit on os4?
15:17:37 zerohero uhm, never mind me,btw
15:27:59 zerohero hmm
15:28:34 zerohero i tried to compile latest unrar 3.5.4, and everything seems to be fine, but it won't do anything
15:28:46 zerohero nicomen: did you sacrifice a chicken while porting it?
15:33:43 nicomen no
15:39:41 nicomen hm afxgroup say he has problems logging in at UB, anyone else experiencing that+
15:39:45 nicomen ?
15:40:14 zerohero i could login fine, just now
15:41:05 nicomen weird
15:41:29 number6 nicomen: Could have been "accidental" change in some config in browser.
15:41:56 nicomen that would not affect login I think
15:42:13 nicomen unless it's some password remembering thing
15:42:17 number6 It does at AW
15:42:53 number6 At AW you can not log in unless "suppress referrer header" is -unchecked-. (just an example)
15:42:56 nicomen well xoops is on crack ;)
15:43:03 number6 That too!
15:44:50 nicomen but I haven't added such stuff
15:45:07 nicomen I'll just wait for a proper answer from afx
15:45:42 number6 Yep.
15:56:22 zerohero nicomen: any tips on why unrar doesn't output anything when started with only 'unrar' from shell?
15:58:58 nicomen no, I haven't fixed that yet
15:59:47 zerohero you didn't have that problem with 3.4.3 then, i take it?
16:00:26 nicomen not that I remember
16:00:39 zerohero wierdness
16:01:32 number6 zerohero: If you are taking about the executable...both the "old 3.4.3" and the "new 3.4.3" DO show parameter list output in shell when started without any parameters.
16:03:02 zerohero number6: yes, i'm talking about version 3.4.5 now, in the rush of being useful i tried to port that with the help of 3.4.3 sources ;)
16:03:59 nicomen zerohero: well, if you can stand the wait I'm releasing it shortly
16:04:10 nicomen but, then again I know you hate waiting ;D
16:04:41 zerohero nicomen: i do hate that, especially since i do want to be able to compile it myself as well :)
16:04:50   -!- * number6 taps fingers impatiently
16:04:54 zerohero hehe
16:05:22 zerohero nicomen: but you need to find the solution first, or do you have it already?
16:05:36 nicomen I'll upload it when it works
16:06:15 zerohero :)
16:06:43 number6 zerohero: We need a "new" smiley then. "When it works."
16:08:44 zerohero number6: no, "when it ..." should be banned from earth
16:09:20 number6 zerohero: replaced with "if it"?
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16:09:51 racs hi
16:10:07 nicomen hello
16:10:08 number6 Hi
16:10:09 zerohero it's getting as bad as "two more weeks"
16:10:51 zerohero evening racs
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17:27:30 zerohero nicomen: i've found the problem with unrar
17:27:46 zerohero nicomen: not sure how to fix it best tho :)
17:28:01 zerohero nicomen: but maybe you've found it already, as well?
17:29:53 zerohero but whohaw
17:30:01 zerohero path's are all wrong :)
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17:38:41 nicomen zerohero: yeah, fixing it
17:38:55 nicomen requires abit of walking carefully
17:39:12 zerohero nicomen: paths or the other stuff?
17:39:13 nicomen latest version always at http://home.polarboing.com/nicomen/unrar-3.51.lha
17:39:28 nicomen hotfix: setenv HOME somepath
17:39:46 zerohero i just commented out the reading of prefsfile ;)
17:40:31 zerohero but i have wierd paths, ie \ is used after the first one...
17:43:23 zerohero hmm
17:43:34 zerohero PATHDIVIDENER is good
17:43:38 nicomen try the one that's out now
17:43:45 zerohero PATHDIVIDER
17:44:02 nicomen yeah but it doesn't work on "drives"
17:44:25 zerohero hmm?
17:53:32 zerohero ah, there is no CreatePath() for amigaos4 ;)
17:54:53 zerohero uhm
17:54:58 zerohero unix is defined?
17:58:11 zerohero uhm
17:58:24 zerohero pathdivider is correct, but it puts \ instead
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17:58:30 zerohero evening ssolie
17:58:43 ssolie zerohero: good morrow to you
17:59:04 nicomen zerohero: don't worry dude, I'll put it up soon enough
18:00:26 nicomen there now it looks in $(HOME).rarrc or S:.rarrc
18:00:59 zerohero nicomen: it's not that i don't trust you, it's a learning process
18:01:18 zerohero nicomen: i want to know how to fix it
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18:05:09 afxgroup hello
18:05:21 afxgroup how many people.. ;)
18:05:46 racs afxgroup: hi
18:06:59 number6 Hi
18:09:42 nicomen ssolie: you are bold ;)
18:10:27 zerohero hi andrea :)
18:10:58 nicomen afxgroup: I can't see what could be wrong, of course you are using the wrong browser but, I'll test with it ;D
18:12:31 nicomen afxgroup: logged in just fine ;(
18:12:46 nicomen afxgroup: but, hmm...
18:13:36 nicomen afxgroup: you also seem to be logged in according to the online users thing, sure it's not the cache playing you a trick?
18:14:43 number6 nicomen: Possible. Known problem in more than 1 browser.
18:16:11 nicomen hm, I could probably solve that
18:19:37 number6 nicomen: Cookies could also be problem.
18:19:56 nicomen nah he had them turned on
18:20:02 number6 OK
18:20:42 afxgroup nicomen: at home it work
18:20:52 afxgroup nicomen: at work it doesn't
18:20:58 afxgroup nicomen: same browser
18:21:03 nicomen bet it's cache then
18:21:12 nicomen different cache settings?
18:21:16 afxgroup ASP rulez...
18:23:33 nicomen if you continue saying that I'll make sure you never will be able to come to norway
18:23:36 nicomen D
18:23:36 nicomen ;D
18:24:06 afxgroup really. i want to live there.. :( i hate the italy.. day after day..
18:24:44 number6 afxgroup: You had a tough year. You don't really want to leave Italy.
18:25:42 afxgroup number6: you should live here...
18:26:06 number6 afxgroup: Would I have to ride in your car?
18:26:37 number6 Oops
18:26:38 afxgroup lol.. why not? ;)
18:27:17 nicomen is "ride your car" some dirty thing?
18:27:32 afxgroup i made 1230 km with my car
18:28:07 nicomen you could be my driver
18:28:12 number6 nicomen:You really need to keep up with your afxgroup blogs.
18:28:13 nicomen I don't have a license
18:28:39 afxgroup i need only a work..
18:28:52 number6 ?
18:29:01 afxgroup THERE
18:29:13 afxgroup must learn suomi?
18:29:17 nicomen afxgroup: I think there is a company using asp here too
18:29:39 afxgroup i can learn php if i need.. ;)
18:29:50 nicomen or you could work at google, yahoo, opera, trolltech...
18:30:32 afxgroup and how!
18:31:42 nicomen well, next week I'm attenting a trolltech presentation, they want cvs and code examples
18:31:57 nicomen google and yahoo both have offices here
18:32:43 afxgroup must speak english. isn't it?
18:32:58 nicomen yes
18:33:20 nicomen most people in norway are fluent in english too, so no nee to learn norwegian
18:36:00 number6 nicomen: Here at AW -all- nordic people seem to be fluent in English.
18:36:04 afxgroup however is not simply. not for the language but how can a guy start a new life from one day to another? :(
18:36:57 number6 afxgroup: Start with making a few friends maybe. That helps.
18:37:16 nicomen afxgroup: well, you need to do some research yourself, make some calls, get the company to help you out etc
18:37:31 afxgroup how cost a rent in norway?
18:37:36 nicomen hehe
18:38:14 nicomen depends where you live everything from 2000 nok to 15000 nok, 4000 to 10000 is the most normal I guess
18:39:04 nicomen 4 000 Norwegian kroner = 496.58298 Euro
18:39:07 nicomen a month
18:39:39 nicomen http://www.norway.org.uk/travel/gettingto/moving/moving.htm
18:40:36 afxgroup 250 euro for what? single room or an entire home??
18:41:18 nicomen that would be a small room, probably together with others
18:41:53 nicomen in oslo prices are really high, the more far aay from the cities the cheaper, and some places even give you stuff for free to move there
18:42:52   -!- * afxgroup is reading the guide to Norway..
18:43:48   -!- * afxgroup is reading the Taxes in Norway..
18:45:42   -!- * afxgroup is thinking to make a vacancy in Oslo..
18:52:18 number6 afxgroup: Then drive to Daniel and bang on his door?
18:53:19 afxgroup eheh.. :)
18:53:38 afxgroup yeah, so the mplayer arexx port could be developed faster.. ;)
18:53:48 number6 lol
19:12:20 zerohero but it rains alot here :/
19:12:23 racs gone
19:12:25 racs bye
19:12:30 zerohero cya
19:12:30 nicomen ciao
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19:21:09 zerohero nicomen: wierdness, after a reboot, unrar paths worked without me doing anything
19:21:35 zerohero no black magic involved what so ever
19:27:20 zerohero afxgroup: you still around?
19:28:49 afxgroup yep
19:29:21 zerohero afxgroup: do you remember anything about your zip port?
19:29:27 zerohero it won't compile
19:29:37 zerohero and those makefiles aren't made for gcc
19:29:59 zerohero and when trying to link *.o amiga/*.o it complains
19:31:17 afxgroup uhm
19:33:32 afxgroup checking
19:35:06 afxgroup uhm.. take this file..
19:35:23 afxgroup these are the original sources
19:35:35 afxgroup into amiga/ there is deflate.a but is 68k
19:35:43 zerohero yes, i think i downloaded those yesterday
19:35:48 afxgroup it must be replaced with deflate.o into root dir iirc
19:35:56 zerohero hmm
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19:38:34 afxgroup brb.. eat somenthing..
19:51:51 zerohero zerohero@gilfanon:~/code/misc-sources$ grep -R __amigaos4__ zip-2.31/
19:51:51 zerohero Binary file zip-2.31/Zip.exe matches
19:51:54 zerohero hehe
19:52:05 zerohero how did you manage that? :P
19:58:33 afxgroup don't remember..
19:58:44 zerohero hehe
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20:07:07 zerohero wb #6
20:07:52 number6 Sometimes you just have to reboot (especially when disabling certain features)...
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20:25:13 zerohero !seen jamiga
20:25:13 GrimReaper I don't know who jamiga is.
20:25:15 MrBot JAmiga (~Peter_Wer@27ea28c2.2c5db252.dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen quitting from #amigaworld 74 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes ago stating (Leaving: ChatZilla 0.9.61 {[Mozilla} rv:1.7.3/20040910\]).
20:26:26 number6 Errr...not exactly a "regular".
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20:26:53 zerohero oi, Capehill
20:26:56 wegster nope, but the current www.jamiga.org site is worse.
20:27:00 Capehill hello
20:27:08 number6 wegster: Understood.
20:27:11 ssolie Capehill: sucka :)
20:28:29 Capehill ssolie: anything new + cool in the pipe?
20:29:25 ssolie Capehill: always
20:29:47 ssolie Capehill: need to wait for upd#4 though
20:30:00 Capehill I think we can do that :)
20:30:12   -!- * Capehill puts the timeglass on table
20:30:25 ssolie bah, I'll just send you a copy
20:30:52 Capehill dcc may not work..
20:30:53 zerohero hey, don't you have private warez channels were you can do that
20:31:04 ssolie zerohero: we are both beta testers :-P
20:31:09 zerohero ssolie: i know
20:31:20 ssolie I like to tease :)
20:31:29 zerohero but you still have warez channels, and warez ftp
20:31:33 zerohero we have none of those
20:31:49 zerohero ssolie: i'm beginning to understand that :)
20:32:08 ssolie maybe start up another "where is it?" thread
20:32:26 zerohero nah, we've had that discussion already
20:32:31 zerohero getting boring :)
20:32:42 ssolie lol, 'getting' boring? it was always boring I thought
20:32:49 zerohero maybe we could start another one on time estimating stuff? ;D
20:34:13 ssolie hmmm... well, if you can take the last couple of estimated dates and divide by the actual release dates you'll know what to multiply the next estimate by to get a more realistic date
20:34:23 ssolie fudge factor if you will
20:35:03 ssolie rather linear but better than nothing ;)
20:35:42   -!- * Capehill buggers off to aw.net to count how many polls are there today
20:36:26   -!- * wegster makes gurgling noises: "ssolie bah, I'll just send you a copy"
20:37:54 ssolie wegster: you should get that gurgling checked out by a doctor
20:38:01 wegster grin
20:56:48 Capehill bye
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20:56:59 zerohero short visit
20:57:11 zerohero and he didn't break his nda either
20:57:21 zerohero you're all so boring ;)
20:57:40 wegster zerohero, I suggest chinese water torture on ssolie? ;-)
20:58:02 zerohero wegster: sounds good to me
20:58:12 zerohero wegster: when can you be there?
20:58:28   -!- * ssolie is getting nervous
20:58:51 wegster zerohero, heh dunno, I suppose I COULD ask to go to west coast for a bit..
20:59:19   -!- * wegster somehow things soolie may not be willing to give out his home address any longer, however ;-)
20:59:26 zerohero wegster: i need a vacation anyway, and i have some friends who're from west coast canada
20:59:55 wegster and thus is spawned, 'Operation Torture Ssolie'? lol ;-)
21:00:21 ssolie well, I don't get a lot of visitors so it might be nice for a change
21:01:05 zerohero from the docket.guide:
21:01:08 zerohero  Steven Solie
21:01:08 zerohero  Software Evolution
21:01:08 zerohero  4831 34 Avenue N.E.
21:01:08 zerohero  Calgary, Alberta
21:01:08 zerohero  Canada, T1Y 1R7
21:01:18 zerohero >:)
21:01:20 ssolie oh dear, my older address there
21:01:25 zerohero haha
21:01:28 wegster rofl
21:01:37 ssolie I'm in Airdrie now (town north of Calgary)
21:01:49 ssolie check google maps
21:02:05 ssolie my ww2 game would have my latest address but don't tell zerohero
21:02:14 ssolie oh dang
21:02:42 ssolie last Amigan to visit was NeRP
21:03:17 zerohero i would like to visit calgary tho
21:03:21 wegster grin, NeRP is Canadian I'm assuming or no?
21:03:29 zerohero would be cool to see a flames game
21:03:30 ssolie yep, NeRP is from BC
21:03:47 ssolie zerohero: where are you at?
21:03:55 zerohero ssolie: sweden :)
21:04:03 ssolie a bit of a trip..
21:04:10 ssolie flames fan?
21:04:13 zerohero yeah, a little bit too far
21:04:18 zerohero yup, since ages
21:04:30 zerohero haven't followed them much lately tho
21:04:46 ssolie cool.. a friend of mine just loves them.. I'll let him know they have a fan in Sweden
21:04:55 zerohero hehe
21:05:04 zerohero they have plenty of fans here
21:05:14 antique fans of what?
21:05:27 zerohero they've had a few swedes
21:05:36 ssolie zerohero: the whole city goes nuts for them.. I'm not into it much myself
21:05:38 zerohero håkan loob would be the most known i guess
21:06:12 antique ice hockey?
21:06:35 ssolie zerohero: is that his NHL name? (i.e. did he use an alias)
21:07:18 zerohero ssolie: no, that is his name, håkan loob, he won the stanley cup 89 (i think)
21:09:13 ssolie zerohero: if you ever show here I'll send you to a game with my friend.. he paints himself up et al.. team colours are mandatory :)
21:10:14 zerohero ssolie: my wife lived a year in toronto, she wanted to take me to a game when i visited, it's not cheap :)
21:10:35 ssolie nope.. not cheap
21:11:33 zerohero iirc, $300 or something, for that particular game, does that sound right?
21:12:01 zerohero or was that the two of us...
21:12:56 ssolie hmmm.. was about $80 ea. for ok seats last time we went
21:13:10 zerohero that's not so bad
21:13:34 ssolie if you want to be by the boards you're probably looking at $300 of course
21:13:56 ssolie we usually try sneaking down when we go.. ;)
21:14:02 zerohero :)
21:14:31 ssolie he used to get free tickets when he was a super-fan (worked for the flames basically); drum, flags, etc.
21:14:46 zerohero cool :)
21:14:50 ssolie he has calmed down a bit since :)
21:15:03