Utilitybase chatlog - 2006-01-23

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00:06:20 zerohero hum
00:06:32 zerohero nicomen: do you know how chmod() works in newlib?
00:06:43 nicomen not particularly
00:08:21 zerohero include/sys/unistd.h:int _EXFUN(chmod, (const char *__path, mode_t __mode ));
00:08:21 zerohero include/sys/unistd.h:int _EXFUN(fchmod, (int __fildes, mode_t __mode ));
00:08:21 zerohero include/sys/stat.h:int _EXFUN(chmod,( const char *__path, mode_t __mode ));
00:08:21 zerohero include/sys/stat.h:int _EXFUN(fchmod,(int __fd, mode_t __mode));
00:08:42 zerohero that doesn't mean much to me, but chmod(filename, 777); does not work
00:16:59 nicomen try with 0777
00:17:55 nicomen (so that it is interpreted as octal)
00:23:56 zerohero \o/ that did it
00:25:18 zerohero will cleanup and upload tomorrow
00:25:32 zerohero night :)
00:27:03 nicomen xnn
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01:09:42 zerohero <-- can't sleep
01:09:52 zerohero cleanup + upload now ;)
01:28:42 zerohero there, uploaded to os4depot
01:29:42 zerohero wegster: hey
01:30:09 wegster whats up?
01:30:25 zerohero just fixed protectionbits code in unrar 3.4.3
01:30:41 wegster woo hoo ;-) Does it, err...work? ;-)
01:30:52 zerohero it does on my machine at least ;)
01:30:54 nicomen send diff ;)
01:31:04 zerohero http://zerohero.homeip.net/~zerohero/ports/
01:31:16 zerohero it's available there, and later on os4depot
01:31:38 nicomen oh
01:32:06 zerohero nicomen: filefn.cpp, SetFileAttr()
01:32:16 wegster where's unrar official page the source camr from, or is it new code?
01:32:17 zerohero that's what had to be changed, not a lot
01:32:26 zerohero i used nicomens source
01:34:05 zerohero uhm, i changed some other stuff as well
01:34:08 zerohero hold
01:35:30 zerohero file.cpp, File::SetOpenFileStat()
01:36:44 zerohero i did some uint32 -> unsigned long changes as well, my cross-compiler setup didn't read exec/types.h :)
01:37:12 zerohero at least that will work on os4, no idea if unsigned long is 32 bits on a 64 bit system ;)
01:42:11 zerohero you disappeared?
01:50:41 nicomen not sure I would've done it like you did
01:51:34 zerohero why? chmod() is a valid function in newlib, minimal changes to the code
01:52:01 zerohero and we have no security on amiga, so 0777 is totally ok at all times
01:53:20 nicomen and what if a file was packed as non-writable?
01:53:59 zerohero we have no rar packers on amiga, shouldn't be a problem
01:53:59 nicomen besides I see that other functions like creation time and similar wasn't activated
01:54:07 nicomen ?
01:54:59 zerohero but i see where you're coming from
01:55:04 zerohero +m
01:55:21 nicomen well, got to get some sleep
01:55:23 nicomen see ya
01:55:35 zerohero night :)
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03:38:20 krusky hi there
03:40:25 zerohero hey
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08:18:33 nicomen hi
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08:36:19 Chain|Q 'lo
08:48:00 nicomen hi there
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10:21:15 Chain|Q re
10:21:50 Chain|Q wegster: the cubic ide thingie is here. a cute dedicated-to-you disk. :) thanks again.
10:57:09 zerohero Orgin*: you around?
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11:01:19 OrginWork Just a bit.
11:04:19 zerohero is there something wrong with those unrar uploads, or you haven't checked?
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11:04:53 OrginWork Non matching ip's, passphrases and emails. Going to look at it after work.
11:05:47 zerohero well, uploader isn't the same, i didn't know ssolie/nicomen used passphrases on those even, my email is good, tho not the same as the others ;)
11:06:32 OrginWork I can't replace other peoples files without asking the original uploader. I will deal with it after work.
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11:06:50 zerohero OrginWork: sure, fair enough
11:12:38 OrginWork If you want you can contact nicomen and have him verify that it's a legit replacement to me directly.
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11:12:46 racs hi
11:13:13 zerohero morning
11:13:47 racs fkin freezin out there :P
11:14:06 zerohero around zero here, or just below
11:14:12 racs -10C here
11:14:17 zerohero we had -14 the other night tho
11:14:22 racs and the wind is blowin high time
11:14:29 zerohero ouch, wind is bad
11:14:57 racs I got totally freeze until the shop
11:15:23 racs zerohero: where do you live?
11:16:02 zerohero sweden
11:16:19 racs and you got 0 degrees, that is not fair! ;)
11:17:09 zerohero it's more than fair, it's cold always here :)
11:17:24 racs okay, but you are prepared for cold :)
11:18:36 zerohero our city doesn't seem to be prepared, it's the same every year...
11:25:32 racs well, what else could you expect from winter... :)
11:25:42 racs but here last winter was really mild
11:26:04 racs the temperature almost never was lower than 0
11:26:10 zerohero heh
11:26:18 Chain|Q racs
11:26:35 zerohero i would want to move to spain or something, i hate cold weather :)
11:26:39 racs Chain|Q
11:26:47 racs me too
11:27:11 racs my dream is somewhere in California or Florida ;)
11:27:24 racs or probably New Zeeland
11:27:25 Chain|Q cool earthquakes and hurricanes
11:27:31   -!- * Chain|Q prefer cold instead. :)
11:27:31 racs Chain|Q: whatever ;)
11:28:04 racs Chain|Q: we are never have the same opinion, you should have known that ;)
11:28:05 zerohero nah, i dont want to move to the usa
11:28:16 zerohero new zealand would be good tho :)
11:28:19 Chain|Q racs: true ;)
11:28:34 Chain|Q new zealand is boring. sheeps everywhere. :)
11:29:09 zerohero i can take boring if it's warm :)
11:29:53 racs yep, all that is matters is warm, beer and bandwidth ;)
11:30:47 zerohero agreed :)
11:31:06 Chain|Q bandwidth has no use with roadshow...
11:31:09   -!- * Chain|Q ducks.
11:31:09 Chain|Q ;]
11:31:32 racs Chain|Q: dunno, I don't have wide bandwidth on my Amiga
11:32:20 zerohero i doubt that's roadshows problem tho
11:32:42 zerohero a1's in general are b0rked completly
11:33:00 racs zerohero: don't bother, he always has strange errors on his system ;)
11:33:09 zerohero hehe
11:33:14 Chain|Q zerohero: can be. also depends on the .device, and the hardware of course, but can be also a tcp/ip stack problem.
11:33:41 zerohero upd4 eth3com.device should be almost a rewrite, i hear
11:33:45 zerohero a lot of improvements
11:33:49 Chain|Q and roadshow is a true olafware... 1., does weird things sometimes 2., not that fast as it can be BUT 3., never crash ;)
11:34:13 zerohero 3 is good :)
11:34:15 Chain|Q and 3 is a true advantage ;)
11:34:18 Chain|Q yeah
11:35:33 Chain|Q zerohero: it can be a device problem however... but bit funny that all tcp/ip stacks (amitcp/68k, miamidx, mosnet and the mysterious "1.5 stack" has quite different speeds with the _same_ .device on my peg:)
11:35:44 zerohero Chain|Q: after using the miggy for a while now, what's your honest opinion about it? i know you think it's awkward at times, but anything specific you feel would need a change?
11:37:52 Chain|Q well. 1., i need better mui. seriously. :) 2., better console. or at least tabs for kingcon. 3., i need an ssh2 client... otherwise it's kinda okayish. i've few other pains with it, (like lack of jit, (khhmm, hi racs:) but i wait to make an opinion until upd4 is out :)
11:37:58 zerohero Chain|Q: not knowing anything about mosnet, but amitcp/68k should be the faster one, right?
11:39:29 zerohero mui is in stuntzi's hand, i guess, console + ssh is one of the things i want as well
11:39:42 zerohero jit will be interesting
11:40:09 Chain|Q zerohero: well, after proper settings miamidx runs quite fast too (reaching transfer speeds around ~6,5mb/sec here, on ftp). and i'm still using miamidx because it has a few abilities missing from other stacks (like NAT support).
11:40:38 zerohero Chain|Q: 6.5 is good
11:40:55 Chain|Q amitcp/68k and "1.5 stack" is slightly faster, and what's noticeable: makes a lot less load on the system when reaching the same speed.
11:41:13 Chain|Q mosnet is clearly the slowest, but that's know issue, and it's looked into, i think
11:41:19 Chain|Q known even
11:42:55 zerohero it's built from a very old stack, so kind of expected, i'd say
11:43:08 Chain|Q yea
11:43:22 zerohero i'd guess there would be other issues as well, but maybe sonic managed to fix most of them
11:46:35 racs Chain|Q: you gonna get JIT with Upd4, cannot do much of your other problems :)
11:47:02 racs Chain|Q: as I already said: I don't use MUI programs, I do use KingCON :)
11:51:50 Chain|Q well, i use my pegasos as a workhorse, it's on my desk, and i work with it, and with morphos. so i see things from this perspective. for example i use it to send/receive mails, and no _GOOD_ non-mui mailers exists for Amiga i know. Same applies for webbrowsers. AWeb is a PITA compared to IBrowse. and these quite essential for my work. and let's not talk about other software...
11:52:06 Chain|Q that's also why SSH client and good console is so essential for me
11:52:30 zerohero later aweb version are quite good, imo
11:52:47 Chain|Q and the fact is, that i _could not_ do things with OS4, what i'm currently doing with MorphOS, at work.
11:53:03 Chain|Q maybe this will change, and i seriously hope this will change at some point
11:53:15 racs Chain|Q: what are these things exactly except SSH?
11:54:12 zerohero ssh + console would do alot for *nix-heads in general
11:54:30 Chain|Q ok, let's rephrase... i could do them except SSH, but less effective. :) (because of mui suckage, which you agree with)
11:54:48 racs Chain|Q: agree? since when?
11:54:49 Chain|Q zerohero: yea, recent aweb is much better, rendering-wise
11:55:00 racs Chain|Q: I don't know what is your problem with MUI
11:55:03 Chain|Q racs: since you don't use MUI software, i guess ;)
11:55:17 racs Chain|Q: I don't use, because I don't need any
11:55:19 zerohero Chain|Q: what is it from mui you're missing? except that it doesn't look as good?
11:55:56 Chain|Q racs: the main problem is, that OS4's MUI sucks compared to MOS's ;) i know it's up to stuntzi, but still, this won't change things.
11:56:21 Chain|Q zerohero: it's buggy... for example. messes up the pens all the time for me... and i get green buttons with red borders, etc.
11:56:22 racs Chain|Q: I don't know what is the difference between the two versions
11:56:29 Chain|Q and has other quirks too
11:56:41 racs Chain|Q: hm, interesting, I never noticed such problems again ;)
11:56:45 zerohero you're the only one i know who had such a problem
11:57:07 racs zerohero: well, I told ya ;)
11:57:11 zerohero but that's not about usability really
11:57:21 zerohero tho agreed it is sucky
11:58:28 Chain|Q racs: since you don't use MUI software, no wonder you never noticed it... :) but easy to reproduce, for me. set any MUI button to use an RGB color (no built in pen). then change anything in gui prefs, and make the system close/open workbench screen
11:58:31 zerohero racs: any chance you can tell if intuition will have more than 256 free pens
11:58:34 Chain|Q and here you go -> messed up mui colors
11:59:01 racs zerohero: me? no, I don't know :)
11:59:18 zerohero racs: ok
11:59:21 racs zerohero: gfx.lib have direct 24 bit pens on true color screens AFAIK
11:59:38 Chain|Q other quirk i hate is reaction window's sucky resize ;) flashing like shit. but someone told me this was taken care about in upd4.
11:59:59 zerohero racs: sure, but gui prefs still only use 256 free colors (~258 really)
12:00:06 racs Chain|Q: yep
12:00:22 racs zerohero: ah, yes, it is
12:00:44 zerohero s/258/248
12:25:50 Chain|Q fuckin' ps/2 mouse
12:25:54 Chain|Q always disconnects
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12:36:21 zerohero wb
12:36:39 zerohero 10 minutes to fix ps/2 mouse, the peg is that good? ;)
12:36:53 OrginWork Would be cool with this on AmigaOS 4 : http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241
12:38:13 Chain|Q zerohero: 10 minutes to organize a domain registration with my moss, to replace the dead monitor for the secretary, then come back and fix the mouse.
12:38:19 Chain|Q zerohero: because i'm that good
12:38:30 Chain|Q moss = boos even
12:38:33 Chain|Q sigh
12:38:33 Chain|Q boss ;)
12:38:36 zerohero Chain|Q: haha
12:38:52 racs Chain|Q: we are not worthy ;)
12:47:20 Chain|Q i'll be curious to benchmark Petunia against Trance to see how worthy you are... :P
12:47:44 racs I am not worthy, I told ya :)
12:48:47 nicomen racs: you should've named petunia "eurodance" or something
12:49:03 racs nicomen: or hardrock ;)
12:49:15 Chain|Q hard rock. like your head sometimes? :P
12:49:19   -!- * Chain|Q ducks.
12:49:26 racs Chain|Q: mine? LOL
12:49:29 Chain|Q sure ;)
12:49:59   -!- * Chain|Q sets mode +blue troll mode for Chain|Q.
12:50:19 nicomen heh, I want to be pink with dots
12:50:43 racs nicomen: green dots? ;)
12:50:50 nicomen sure
12:54:05 Chain|Q the cubic ide stuff i got is funny
12:54:12 Chain|Q it has latest powerup devkit on it :D
12:55:03 Chain|Q cute
13:22:46 Chain|Q brb
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14:00:34 racs gone
14:00:35 racs bye
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14:19:33   -!- * Chain|Q sighs.
14:19:45 Chain|Q anyone uses this golded/cubicide thing? :)
14:20:08 Chain|Q how to make it to save the (*@#&$(&@#($ window position
14:54:44 Chain|Q heh
14:54:49 Chain|Q tried to load a pascal source
14:54:54 Chain|Q and the thing died ;P
14:54:57 Chain|Q rocks
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16:04:57 racs back
16:14:03 nicomen hm, if I want to concatenate a defined number with a string, shouldn't it be: "foo" DEFINE_NUM "bar" ?
16:19:28 racs you mean DEFINE_NUM is a numeric value?
16:19:35 racs like
16:19:43 racs #define DEFINE_NUM 42
16:20:51 nicomen yes
16:21:45 nicomen http://utilitybase.com/paste/495
16:22:28 nicomen hah someone has "hacked" it, by inserting 480-ish code bits with the word "test"
16:24:31 racs this won't work
16:24:43 nicomen I know, but I'm wondering how I can do it
16:24:48 racs concatenation works only to the string literals
16:25:07 nicomen hm, any way of converting at preprocessor time?
16:25:14 racs how about using sprintf?
16:25:25 racs I don't think so
16:25:28 nicomen sprintf or similar is out of the question as it is for a $VER string
16:25:43 racs as soon as you add the quot marks the preprocessor will ignore it
16:26:27 racs and why do you use a number for it?
16:26:36 nicomen it's there already
16:26:48 nicomen got a tip of using ##
16:26:55 racs bumprev generates nice constants for you
16:27:48 racs hm, I don't know the ## preprocessing marks
16:27:53 nicomen I don't want to hardcode the values really as they are already in there
16:28:42 racs nicomen: do you know how bumprev works?
16:29:18 nicomen I think so
16:29:37 racs nicomen: there you get the version in either defined and in strings
16:57:08 zerohero http://www.bash.org/?44536
16:57:10 zerohero how true
17:00:28 racs yep :)
17:47:15 racs nicomen: so, was it working?
17:47:24 nicomen nope
17:47:59 racs nicomen: probably that one is compiler-dependant
17:56:11 zerohero humm, yam does some wierdness with numbers and strings, preprocessor-wise... hold
17:57:41 zerohero  // transforms a define into a string
17:57:41 zerohero #define STR(x) STR2(x)
17:57:41 zerohero #define STR2(x) #x
17:58:34 zerohero it's used to get the gcc version number for about window, at least
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18:15:16 zerohero evening #6
18:15:34 number6 Afternoon zerohero
18:16:59 nicomen zerohero: yeah it works for functions
18:17:34 zerohero nicomen: so adding those two is not an option either?
18:18:27 nicomen it didn't work with STR(DEFINE)
18:18:51 zerohero wierd?
18:19:17 nicomen http://utilitybase.com/paste/496
18:19:59 zerohero nicomen: it won't work unless you use both defines
18:20:18 zerohero it's some pre-processor magic, afaik
18:20:26 nicomen oh, hehe, let's try
18:20:52   -!- * Chain|Q 's going to scare all C programmers to death:
18:20:56 Chain|Q BOOO!!!: http://scenergy.dfmk.hu/amiga/images/pegasos/Pega2-CubicIDE_vs_FPC.png
18:20:59 Chain|Q :P
18:21:12   -!- * zerohero shivers
18:21:13 nicomen zerohero: woah
18:21:17 nicomen worked
18:21:20 zerohero hehe
18:21:30 nicomen thanxxors
18:21:37 zerohero i have no idea why it works, just saw that code in yam, and tried it ;)
18:21:56 racs nicomen: what magic?
18:21:58 nicomen I think I know why
18:22:23 nicomen the parser is one-pass and doen't expand both properly
18:23:12 zerohero ah, might be it
18:23:29 nicomen or something
18:26:30 zerohero Chain|Q: that screenshot makes me so glad i code in c :)
18:26:50 Chain|Q what's wrong with that? :P
18:27:11 zerohero i coded some pascal 15 years, or so, ago
18:28:27 Chain|Q yeah, and? :)
18:29:05 zerohero source looks wierd ;)
18:29:44 nicomen probably does the same as 5 pages of c
18:30:07 racs I also coded pascal, that was the only language which was accepted in the college
18:34:42 Chain|Q poor rachy
18:34:49 Chain|Q he was forced to use pascal ;P
18:34:59 Chain|Q muhaha
18:35:26 racs Chain|Q: yes, we forced
18:35:44 racs there was nobody around who would understand C
18:35:52 racs so I had to learn it on my own
18:36:09 racs turbo pascal is such a crippled stupid thing :P
18:37:01 Chain|Q well, it was not _THAT_ crippled, when it appeared... apart from the architecture it was running on.
18:37:38 racs Chain|Q: if you say so ;)
18:38:09 Chain|Q turbo c was more crippled, believe me ;P
18:38:28 racs Chain|Q: I believe you, I tried ;)
18:39:21 Chain|Q btw, please note, that this pascal what you see there is != turbo pascal ;)
18:40:09 racs Chain|Q: I know
18:40:12 Chain|Q comparing fpc and tp in language elements is like comparing an a1000 + os1.0 vs. os4 upd4 running on a g4.
18:40:53 racs they did everything to get the common things from other languages ;)
18:43:55 racs nah gonna have bath
18:43:56 racs bye
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19:55:30 zerohero !seen afxgroup
19:55:30 GrimReaper I don't know who afxgroup is.
19:55:32 MrBot afxgroup (~andrea@24862c5a.d0a9903.pool8257.interbusiness.it) was last seen quitting from #amigadev 2 days, 6 hours, 44 minutes ago stating (Leaving: {}).
20:10:30 number6 !seen deniil715
20:10:30 MrBot number6, I don't remember seeing deniil715.
20:10:30 GrimReaper I don't know who deniil715 is.
20:12:08 zerohero deniil was here once or twice, i think
20:12:21 zerohero he's on #onyxsoft @ ircnet tho
20:12:33 number6 zerohero: Then he -does- use the same nick here on irc?
20:13:01 zerohero without 715
20:13:05 zerohero deniil only
20:13:09 number6 Ah! Thanks.
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20:24:04 afxgroup hello
20:24:43 zerohero evening andrea
20:25:04 afxgroup !seen itix
20:25:04 GrimReaper I don't know who itix is.
20:25:06 MrBot itix (~ilkleht@1f49225e.2d34f077.humppa.jyu.fi) was last seen quitting from #amigadev 3 days, 21 hours, 49 minutes ago stating (Leaving: nite).
20:25:20 afxgroup itix is driking beer and vodka.. i know..
20:26:09 zerohero hehe
20:26:21 zerohero afxgroup: do you still have sources for your unzip port?
20:26:46 afxgroup argh! don't remember me how many things must do.. :((
20:27:58 zerohero afxgroup: i hacked nicomen's sources for unrar to always do chmod(0777) on all files
20:28:27 zerohero afxgroup: i just noticed that unzip save all files with ---- on the amiga, i thought i'd hack it the same way ;)
20:28:35 afxgroup do u want it?
20:28:38 afxgroup pls!
20:28:47 zerohero sure, send it over
20:28:51 afxgroup wait..
20:29:25 zerohero did you use the amiga sources in the archive, btw?
20:29:38 afxgroup i've hacked many things..
20:29:42 zerohero hehe
20:30:45 zerohero afxgroup: at least people shouldn't complain about your rar archives anymore ;)
20:31:11 afxgroup rar pack double of other archivers
20:31:27 zerohero i find lzx is better, most of the time
20:31:49 zerohero just sad to see m$ bought it
20:32:35 zerohero afxgroup: what makefiles did you use? anything particular i should think of?
20:32:57 zerohero afxgroup: and please tell orgin it's ok to replace your archive on os4depot, if that's ok :)
20:33:14 afxgroup iirc i've modified the makefile too. this is compiled on cygwin so i've hakced many things
20:33:26 afxgroup try to compile on abc-shell f u can
20:33:33 afxgroup ok
20:33:43 zerohero i will compile on linux
20:33:50 zerohero so cross-compiler here as well
20:34:11 afxgroup ok
20:36:25 zerohero itix just joined another channel, should i point hi here?
20:36:39 zerohero +m
20:43:44 afxgroup if u can
20:45:19 zerohero doesn't answer...
20:49:35 zerohero afxgroup: include_h/inline4/dos.h:#define Info(lock, parameterBlock) how did you get around this?
20:49:52 zerohero afxgroup: there's another Info() declared in the sources?
20:50:11 afxgroup don't remember.. wait. look into include file
20:51:26 afxgroup zip or unzip?
20:51:36 zerohero unzip
20:52:44 zerohero unzpriv.h:2273
20:52:56 zerohero it's used all over in amiga.c
20:53:04 zerohero but the one above gets called instead
20:54:05 afxgroup mmm.. is used to debug
20:54:20 afxgroup ahhh remember..
20:54:57 afxgroup comment Info into dos.h..
20:55:00 afxgroup ;)
20:55:04 zerohero haha
20:56:18 zerohero i added:
20:56:19 zerohero #ifdef __amigaos4__
20:56:20 zerohero #undef Info
20:56:22 zerohero instead :)
20:57:01 zerohero hmm
20:57:06 zerohero didn't work, of course
20:59:16 afxgroup no, because info is usad in many places
20:59:23 afxgroup used
21:00:28 zerohero yes, but you included proto/dos.h after unzpriv.h was included, changed order, and now it worked
21:00:51 zerohero : undefined reference to `Agetch'
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21:01:07 itix hi
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21:01:19 zerohero itix, aldur :)
21:01:21 aldur lo all
21:02:28 aldur hows things
21:03:00 zerohero hmm, wierdness
21:03:09 afxgroup hei itix. have you stop to drink sauna?? ;) need one..
21:03:18 zerohero Agetch() is there, must be some define messing with me
21:04:05 zerohero uhm, oh
21:04:06 afxgroup itix: now you are a developer of bourriquet-aos on sf
21:04:11 zerohero unzip built already
21:04:18 zerohero funzip now...
21:04:35 itix afxgroup: heh, i was just bastardizing ambient :)
21:05:04 itix afxgroup: but going to checkout bourriquet, thanks :)
21:05:15 afxgroup try to compile it on MOS
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